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It took me a while to figure that I first need to delete my currently (un-)training Omega skill by killing it THEN pressing the "start" button before I could actually add some of the alpha skills I didn't have capped.


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Duke Garland

My previous issue makes sense now that I am Alpha as they can queue only one skill up to 24 hours, but it was happening before the sever restart, when I was apparently Omega, so who knows

But I do now have an Omega skill that is apparently training in the actual skill window, although it probably should not be!

Why do Omega state characters still see all the restrictions, yellow outlines, yellow skill levels, all that stuff? As someone who is subscribed all year round this is highly annoying. As an Omega character I have no business seeing all that stuff and it just gets in the way.

I've been pretty vocal against having a toggle button for everything in EVE, but in this case I think it's fairly justified. Can we at least get a toggle button so Omega characters can choose if they want to see the visual restrictions in the UI? Or better yet, just remove it completely for Omega characters.

Edit: Whoops, I completely missed the part about SISI being locked in Alpha state. My bad. Can I assume that the yellow UI elements will be (largely) absent from the Omega UI?

please add an opt out in form of "show alpha capabilities for omegas"

I do understand that it is very useful to know what you can do in eve as omega, if you are an alpha and consider to upgrade. I do also understand that it is important to know as for example a recruiter what a alpha clone can fly, but for the rest of us please allow to get rid of the visualization of the alpha downgrade in UI, skill restrictions, inventory color coding etc. We only need it if we are alpha.

Tbh i would even consider making it opt-in and keep it off by default.

With the new Character Sheet it is nearly impossible to see how many skills your unallocated SP will cover if you are to use it. There seems to be no indication. Also all of the skills are listed in time, where the SP is listed in quantity. This makes decisions about Skill Injectors very difficult.

• You need to stop pushing Omega upgrades in the UI. I guarantee you this will leave a bad taste in Alpha players mouths when they're constantly reminded of what they can't use. I've seen other games use similar UI elements and it is always a point of contention. Always.
• Is there a reason that the skill window layout was made horizontal, when the content lends itself so much better to the standard vertical layout we're used to? This is especially painful because it is the only tab in the character sheet that uses this horizontal layout. All the other tabs have a vertical layout and are a breeze to navigate.
• Character rendering in character sheet - Nice eye candy, functionality useless to look at a rendered two-thirds of my face. Anti-aliasing settings seem to have no effect on the render.

Seriously CCP, drop the "Upgrade to Omega" all over the place. It will not be well received.

Is there a reason why the info window for civilian versions of modules don't have a variation tab? Civilian Miner,Civilian Cargo hold have it the shield ones and armor repairer did not.

Also an Amarr character the only skill they currently have at the beginning that is not accessible to the alpha player is Small Hybrid Turret. I think it should be removed from the default skill list.

Since there's a major push to redo several sections of the UI in preparation for Alpha Clones, I have a request for an addition that's been set to the wayside far too long.

Can we finally receive those customizable overview icon options as we were promised, quite a while back?

Referencing this Dev Blog: https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/

CCPlease, I would like that overview option put in place.



>Mikk's Keyboardist

The new UI has some problems. To show this, let's reference this album of images (seen here) which I have captured on my character.

Let's ask ourselves some questions and see how each version of the UI presents them differently: Can my account fly the Rorqual? Can I fly the Rorqual? Why can't I fly the Rorqual? Can I train the required skills, or do I need to buy a book? How many levels do I have already, and how long will it take me to train the ones I need?



First up, the new UI, as seen in Image 1:


Can my account fly the Rorqual? The new UI is very effective at communicating that this is an omega-only ship. There is a small border and an omega icon. Top marks in this area.

Can I fly the Rorqual? I have absolutely no idea at a glance.

Why can't I fly the Rorqual? After examining the skills list for about twenty seconds, I can see that I don't have enough levels in Capital Industrial Ships, Industrial Reconfiguration, Advanced Mass Production, Mass Production, Industrial Command Ships, Mining Director, and Mining Foreman to fly the Rorqual.

Do I have these skills injected? I have indicated training times, but no indication if I have already purchased the book. From this UI, I would conclude that I do in fact have all the skills I need injected.

How many levels do I have in each skill, and how long will it take me to train them up? I know exactly how long it will take me to train each component skill and the total training time to sit in this ship. Top marks in this area as well.



Compare this to the present Rorqual UI, as shown in Image 2. Let's ask ourselves the same questions, except for the account-based question which isn't relevant to the present UI.


Can I fly the Rorqual? I can see from the red X's and yellow O's that I lack the skills to fly the Rorqual, almost without doing any mental effort at all. It's instant.

Why can't I fly the Rorqual? I can see immediately that I don't have some necessary skills trained. I know what they are instantly as well. I don't have to look around the UI to figure that out.

Do I have the skills to fly the Rorqual injected? I can see that some of the skills which I lack are different from each other. I know from contextual learning that I don't have enough levels in yellow skills, but that I have the book since they aren't red. I also know that I don't have the book for Industrial Command Ships, for instance.

How many levels do I have in each skill, and how long will it take me to train them up? This is the major failing of the present UI. I don't know how many levels (If any) I have in any skill-- just whether or not they meet the threshold for piloting the ship and whether or not I have them injected/partially trained. I do know the total training time, but that is all.



It's obvious after that exercise that the new UI has some problems with readability, but it also brings a lot of useful features to the table. How do we fix it with the minimum amount of effort and the maximum amount of benefit to the end-user? Take a look at my "proposed fix" image (Image 3). Let's repeat the same exercise to see how the proposed fix is better than the old UI and the new UI.


Can my account fly the Rorqual? My design omits the Omega icon in favor of a thicker yellow border. I might pair the thicker border with an Omega icon, looking at it now. That would be the best of both worlds, I think.

Can I fly the Rorqual? I can tell at a glance that I don't have all the skills I need, just by looking at the requirements window.

Why can't I fly the Rorqual? I can see at a glance that I am missing skills and how many levels I am missing from them.

Do I have these skills injected? I can see that I do have the yellow skills injected or partially trained by looking at the level listing to the right of each skill entry. I know that a zero-level rank on Advanced Mass Production is different from the zero-level rank in Capital Industrial ships because AMP is yellow, while CIS is red. Because I can see that both Mass Production and AMP are the same color, I know that yellow means that a skill is partially trained and can be trained further.

How many levels do I have in each skill, and how long will it take me to train them up? I know exactly how long it will take me to train each component skill and the total training time to sit in this ship.



After this series of exercises, my conclusion should be clear enough to you, but I'll say it anyway: The new UI brings some great features to the table at the expense of readability. The old UI is very readable. Combine the two and you have a winning design that keeps the strengths of both the old and the new UIs. You should do that.





I also fully endorse this guy's fix for the character sheet UI. It's better in pretty much every way than the new one.