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And less special.
If you've ever played SWTOR, there were a LOT of side quests involving Sith and dark Jedi (or Jedi/rival Sith if you're an imp).
Force users were supposed to be special in the Star Wars universe, but copypasting a bunch of them makes them... not.
Or: Yes, you might get these huge fleet fights more often, but creating an eclipse with a bunch of titans won't be epic or special if it happens too often. The whole point of those things was to be rare and epic special. Putting the yield of mining ships where they are now took that away.

So take jump drive away from it?
Making it warp around like a slow subcap might not be a bad thing. Having it fit in a jump freighter would mean still being able to buy it in slightly hostile space without it being a deathtrap.

Even with that limitation, it can warp in 10-11 seconds from a dead stop with a microwarpdrive fit.

doubt so, for reliable amount of harvested ore you have to park the Rorq within the asteroid as the excav drones will be slow as fu... so every m they have to travel will deplete the isk/h significantly

@fozzie
what are your plans to fix the nullsec Heavy water issue?
will you be reducing the amount of ozone in dark glitter and increasing heavy water in it ?

If you swapped the HW and Ozone figures in Dark glitter around, that would resolve a lot of the imbalance issues without doing much to the market

@CCP Fozzie

Any plans to fix the Heavy water Imbalance?

Am I the only one Thinking, that CCP overshoot a little with the Roqual ?
The Orca seems allright for me but the Roquall is a bit... to much?
I see some winers wine, but with these changes the Roqual might be able to be a new Slowcat.
You have a remote rep range bonus 8 hislots (you use 5 large shieldboosttranfers and not capital ones because without triage they are better and with capchain or capbooster you run stable), a capitalship tank and five sentries and 20 backupsets..
Honestly i don't care about that mining yield, because i don't mine. There more the better, because more minerals -> cheaper combat ships.
But the combat potential of the new roquall is... at least interesting, at worst op.

Everyone seems to be getting really excited about the theoretical yield of the rorqual but they're completely forgetting how bad drone mining mechanics are.

#1. There isn't even a hot key to make the mine, you have to use the context menu.

#2. The drone goes out, mines exactly 1 cycle and then returns with its mining amount.

The excavator drones exist on tranquility right now and they MWD at 100m/s. That's like a 10+ minute round trip to some of the ore site asteroids even with drone navigation comps and skills. The base speed needs to be an order of magnitude higher, or these things will spend over 90% of their time in transit and a sieged rorqual will be considerably worse than a barely trained barge in reality. The other option is that the Rorqual, a capital ship with **** for agility and warp speed that must additionally exit siege, rewarps for basically every individual asteroid it mines, and spends 90%+ of its time in warp... and is considerably worse than a barely trained barge in reality. Even if the drones are much quicker than the preliminary stats imply they will be, that theoretical yield will translate into a real yield of 25-50%, if that, and they'll be barely worth using as an upgrade over a Hulk.

With a theoretical yield of 18400m^3/minute and the speed as they exist on tranquility currently, for an asteroid 40,000m away (i.e. roughly the range something like half of the rocks in a colossal are from the warpin), it will take the drone 800 seconds (13.3 minutes) to travel for every 60 seconds of mining, meaning its real yield is 6.976% of the theoretical 18400 or 1283m^3 per minute. With drone navigation 5 and the MWD bonus from siege it will be 162.5m/s or 492s (8.2 minutes) of travel for 60 seconds of mining, or 10.8% efficiency / 1999m^3 per minute. That's like 20m isk/hr on spod, lol.

Put another way, a rookie ship with Miner II's jetcan mining (187m^3/min) would give an unsieged Rorqual (8.5% efficiency at 40km with 125m/s speed, of 3000m^3/min =257m^3/min) a good contest for most of an ore site after you factor in travel time if the base speed on tranquility is currently representative of final stats.

The cyno while in PANIC mode is a perfect option speaking as a 10 year miner.

We *never* put a rorqual in a belt in 0.0 mining operations because it made no sense. While I get the need to change the mining link (and other) mechanics a PANIC button is great for 0.0 mining in an alliance.

I'm concerned about the number of ships, as sometimes you can easily get 30 people in exhumer/mining barges or more, as long as I can protect all 30 (or more) with a panic button, light a cyno and wait for reinforcements that makes staying in a belt worthwhile in my alliance.

Yeah, it can be shot and a 50 to 200 person gang coming along can make it interesting but you should have intel for that and GTFO well before.

The new Exhumer level drones need some mechanic changes, or be able to hold a ton of ore to compensate for them being slow. Parking a rorqual on a rock is difficult due to their lack of manuverability/speed and spending 10m warping in/out to get in position and the inevitable ping pong through a belt of rocks. Either have the drone spit out compressed ore, or carry the highest m3 in the game exhumer or barge. The return / go out trip is sloooow and if I have to waste charges/heavy water waiting that's a little nuts.

Will the PANIC module protect these most likely really expensive drones too? Just the mining ones, not combat.

My opinion is that a cyno shouldnt be able to be lit while the PANIC mode is active (be it the rorq or the miner). It WILL end up being used as a cyno ship in large fleet engagements which isnt it's intended use.

This does NOT mean that you cant cyno in back up. It just means that you need to wait for the PANIC mode to cycle first, then light. You can still use the industrial core to supply reps and get the self rep benefits. If there's enough on grid to alpha through your rorq then there are other issues tbh.

I think a slightly favourable outcome might be that a cyno disables and inhibits the PANIC mode on which ever ship lights. That still allows a proc to refit a cyno in PANIC mode but be vul when it lights.

Tiberizzle, as usual, with the Real Dope on eve game mechanics. Listen to this man.

how to prevent rorqual go through C5/6 to highsec if it's mass is less than Freighters