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Just watched Johnny Pew's (a.k.a. Sir Livingston's) youtube video on this... no longer can pilots use the excuse "I don't know how to fit my ship properly, the game didn't tell me/noone told/helped me. Imma rage quit and gripe about it!" Now a fight shall be won... primarily on a pilots skills to pilot their ship effectively and work with the limits of their character to fight and play more effectively.


No longer shall we hear "Its the ship's fault. Whaaa."


No... CCP has now given you the tools to make this game MUCH easier to play. No more having to download, install, update, and use exterior programs that run slowly, crash constantly, and cannot possibly update as quickly as the actual game itself... you now have the tools to play more easily Capsuleers!


TAKE YOUR DESTINY INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!!!

Good suggestion, thanks

1. external programs are still necessary, this is amazing to have in-game, but it isn't intended to, nor does it replace external tools
2. they don't run slowly or crash constantly
3. I've been around a lot of rookies for the entirety of my playtime, never have I heard that excuse or seen that attitude. Perhaps that's their reaction to being fit-shamed, so good job of generating a problem where none existed
4. They can still present that excuse - this is a tool, you still have to learn how to fit ships - being given the stats does little in that direction, especially on ships you don't already have bought and are imminently going to fly. We could practice fitting ourselves before, that doesn't change - it just simplifies the process and removes the isk sink. If you think this somehow justifies you expecting rookies to know how to fit ships, just because it exists, you have no idea how learning works.
5. it doesn't make the game easier to play, it's a convenience.

Now, for something on-topic, is it possible for us to get the simulator to assume minimal skills needed to fit a simulated ship? I understand right now it just uses the character's skills for simplicity, which is understandable, but since the skill requirements are already in the db, i think it's reasonable (and much more useful, since we won't have custom character skillsets available) to have it assume minimal skills by default. I don't expect this to be implemented now, since you're already in the polish phase, but please consider it for the future.

PS: I'd like to repeat once more, great work on this simulator CCP people, even in it's current state it's a massive improvement and a great addition.

I would love, love, love an exploration section for probe stats. It can be a pain to calculate manually and it would be nice if they weren't left out of this wonderful improvement.

Also, it's a bit unintuitive that you can drag a module in to equip it, but you can't drag a module out to un-equip it. That's been my biggest frustration with the fitting window as I always forget that after I come back from long breaks. Anything you can drag in you should be able to drag out.

- Q

Yesterday I added a "view fitting" right click option, but I'm not sure if that build is already on Sisi... that will open up a standalone window with the fit
The window has changed a bit, but all the same info/options are available there.

But not into your corp hanger, don't know if you get a warning at that point to point you can drag to your item inventory.

Right, but you can drag it into the browser on the left hand side. The reason it's not moved when you drop it in a hangar is that you are not really moving stuff there, so it wouldn't make much sense. Also, the move is triggered by the destination location and I'd rather not litter all inventory locations with code to handle that when it doesn't really belong there in the first place.

I was moving into "space" or a non-UI element. But moving it towards the source location works and is much better than the little icons that exist now.

So I've played with it some more and, first, it's awesome. It's something I've been waiting for, for a long time. Thank you.

But, hopefully, I can give you some helpful feedback from a first-time (and second-time) user.

First the bugs:

* Some of the ships are having graphical issues in their ghost presentation. The Skiff, for example.

* I'm seeing a graphical glitch with the total drones/fighters. I added two groups, then manually increased them. It allowed me to increase the second group beyond the total capacity of the ship and when I re-opened it, it was corrected, but the number was formatted incorrectly (25.0 instead of 25) and that bled over onto the X.

* Visual nitpick: the little X in the Active Drones window appears to be off center.

Then requests:

* First, there doesn't appear to be a place to see your currently simulated ship's hull bonuses once you select it. I think there was an icon you could hover over before. I haven't seen anything yet.

* Also in the tooltip for the Hulls and Fits, fittings, it would be nice to get a larger visual preview of the ship. Something along the lines of the size they are in the info window. And more information would be nice as well. Not sure where you would draw the line though. My hope is that I would have enough info from that to consider the fitting.

* Also, it would be nice if the modules in the hardware section had more info in their tooltips. I really hate having to open up info on each and every one to see what they do.

* I would love a filter on the ship fittings for size or class. Even something as simple as filtering by rig size (S, M, L, XL). Also having combat/industrial filters would be great.

* This would be a great time to move the tiny little buttons (info, remove, unfit) to somewhere else and make them larger. Maybe put them in the tooltip. The buttons are so tiny and hard to click.

* If we could borrow a modified version of the Ship Tree group tooltip for the Hulls and Fits groups, that would be awesome. When you hover over the group (e.g. Interceptor) in the ship tree you get a little description (e.g. "Advanced, fast frigates hard to pin down, specializing in tackling.") along with the ship's symbol and size.

* Cycling through the various states isn't particularly enjoyable. It feels a bit like a pain that I can't just put the module in the precise state I want with a single click. Understandably you have the radial for the whole set high/mid/low rack. Perhaps we could get that radial for individual items?

Overall

I want to thank you so much for this feature. I know we won't get everything all at once and it will continue to go through iterations, but it's probably my favorite feature that will be added in a long time. Also the quality of the thing is great, visually nice and mostly bug-free. Thank you so much!

\o/ Woot!

Just checked it, thanks! Looks pretty cool. :)

Keep up the good work!

Sorry, I meant the 'destination' location (and have edited my post)... so the if you drop something in the inventory, stuff happens because it's moved to that new location, adding to the new location triggers it. In order to allow you to unequip something by dragging it somewhere, that 'somewhere' needs to have code that knows how to handle the fake item. Hope that makes some sense, it's maybe a little more details than you care about
People are already used to dropping items in the center to fit them so unfitting like that would be confusing.