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I am very familiar with WOW. Before I quit I clocked up over 150 days of play time on my main toon. That's 3,600 hours of game play. If you play 8 hours a day for 5 days a week (like a job), that equates to 22 months of playing WOW like a full time job.

And I will tell you what'a different from WOW and EVE.

1. WOW has enjoyable PVE contents, quests and world to explore at low level (e.g. Up to lvl 20). The opening sequences of WOW is delightful. Each class and faction and ethnicity has its own rich
environment that's crafted with high level of detail, from gestures to sound track, city/landscape, dialogues, etc.

Don't get me wrong. I love EVE and all its lore and chronicles, and have read all the published novels. I'm also aware that each faction has different NPCs and station types, etc.

But you can't seriously compare what's available in WOW as a PVE experience for a low level player and what PVE EVE offers at that level (or even at higher lvl to be honest).

Even just looking at combat mechanism vs NPC rats, WOW has combos and skill sequence and DPS cycles and all that interactive things. EVE solo PVE is all about target lock and activate all mods and wait till the target dies. If it was WOW that would be like a Rogue killing an NPC using no combos and timed
skills, you know, just using default ' hit' only.

EVE has ewar, but you don't time it to use it at the 'right moment' (at least definitely not in solo lvl 1 missions). You keep the target painter on the target from the moment you lock him till he dies. If it was WOW, you'd need to juggle different ewar applications at the right moments to maximise DPS.

EVE is not like that.


For EVE, there is no appeal in continuing low level PVE contentse. I would rather go back to killing 1,000 spiders as a Rogue in WOW than do 1,000 lvl 1 missions in T1 fit frigate.


Even For harvesting - would you rather go around in Azeroth collecting 1,000 items spread across the map with random spawn points, or you want to mine 1 billion units of Veldspar in a static belt, and 'do it in a Kestrel'

We love EVE, but let's be fair, low level PVE contents in EVE is no where near varied/interesting as WOW.

I don't want to make it sound like WOW > EVE, obviously I managed to quit WOW but can't quit EVE so I know which game I love more, but low level PVE wise EVE simply cannot compete with WOW, especially to the 'casual/mainstream' playerbase.

2. Then we have PVP. Yes, PVP in EVE is awesome. And this is what makes EVE great and keep the core player base subbed for long long time.

But bear in mind that even on PVP servers in WOW, battleground and arena pretty much killed any serious 'world pvp'. People spent more time in instanced dungeons and battlegrounds than out in the world, especially once they have done all the field quests and reached the max level.

But that works for level capped players, because WOW has level capped battlefields. EVE doesn't do 'instanced battlefield' - there are FW sites restricted to ship types but it's not capped by SP. And although FW had been pretty popular, for EVE, I think most people will agree that the real fun PVP is world PVP. This is totally different from WOW.

Limited players will be fully exposed to vets ready to farm them in the open PVP world, not only for KM, but to get them on comms and make them sing and record and post it on youtube and humiliate them on reddit and make a lol meme pic to pass on to the next generation.

I'm not wearing beer goggles. WOW and EVE have some fundamental differences, different to the extent that a successful marketing/PR strategy for one could be a disaster for the other.

Where have you read that?

From the link....

CCP Devblog
Not a big impact ........ ""as most of the negative behavior would depend on multi-plexing or automation, both of which are big no-no's.""

This line from CCP shows a complete misunderstanding of how powerful multiple free accounts could be EVEN if you are not running them at the same time.


Wingspan has already pointed out that they could easily seed an Alpha alt in every wormhole system and find if a Citadel is being on-lined anywhere in WSpace. This free intel does not only apply to wormholes. Anywhere in the Universe where the ability to online a toon in a safe spot and gather information (on a free account) will be abused.

If there is anyway to make passive income it will be used and abused.

If there is anyway to grief for free it will be used and abused

If there is anyway to replace a paid for alt with a free Alpha CCP will see a drop in subscriptions - probably greater than the number of new ones being created.

These "free" accounts need to be feature locked tighter than a Duck's Arse

I don't see the required skills for mining frigate on the list of skills for any race.

Are the mining frigates considered pirate frigates for limits to alpha players?

I only say this as the mining frigate makes a huge difference in early PvE as well as a part of the NPE.

Mining in a catalyst for anything but hull-metal and kill mails kind of sucks.

Mining frigate L4 is in the list as is Mining 4 for T2 mining upgrades and T2 mining lasers. No mining drones, though. So an Alpha would yield a bit over 300 m3/min.

CCP you can't keep new players because

Level 1 missions pay **** so do level 2 and 3
everything in eve is affected by inflation except the rewards and rat bounties they've been stuck at crap levels for years..

Eve is about the micro game called skill training, people in other games get better and rank up the more they play not with eve, you have skills to train which if you want to fly caps take 2 years to fly PROPERLY ok you can be in one in months but good luck keeping it or being able to use it PROPERLY.

This whole Omega and Alpha Game play is CCP accountants talking, its a crap idea and going to cause tears on an epic level

If you want to encourage new players stop stealing from US...

Take 1yr subscription you only give me 360 days but if you ban a person its 365days or take remapping that's 365days.
In the 12years Ive played that's 60days you STOLE from me x 3 accounts - 180days

Lets look at buying plex right now. Every day there $209.94 for 12 but when you put them on special there $188.96 for 12 you claim a whopping $68.40 discount but come on CCP its only $20.99 [Creative accounting] think that's what its called

You have a very loyal following but every years you stand on stage and **** on that following instead of embracing, face it eve is not for everyone and specially hyper kids on red cordial, they don't have the patients for eve over the long haul. So CCP face it new subscription will ever only be 1 in every 50 will stay and play. BUT at your present f-up rate you'll loose your following that's supported eve all these years. [Keep your eye on the dooms day clock]

How many here know of someone that's left all because of the way CCP fail to listen most if not everyone. 12 years is a life time to support 1 game hell most wouldn't put that much effort into a marriage

Every year you ignore the War Decing but to be fair you did spent 10min on it a little ways back and f-ed it up even more awesome update by the way. The buddy list was the nail in a solo pvp-ers coffin awesome update The Bounty system ok lets just pretend this doesn't exist awesome update

Unless CCP change there ignorant ways this game is surly doomed, I for one don't wish this, but to be honest its on the cards and showing more and more every year.

yeah its called a midnight typo kinda like your 3 x o

If you can come up with a bounty system that's not trvially exploitable, go for it.

Well the community embraced it because the part of the community that would point flaws and provided needed skepticism are now gone (ie, Tippia) and the ones that remain don't have the energy anymore and are content to watch in fascination.