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I'm not saying CCP shouldn't make a move like this. I'm saying the way they're making it is critically flawed and doomed to failure.

-Liang

Pretty much what is happening yes

THIS STINKS ON SO MANY LEVELS! BAD MOVE CCP!

Can you imagine Jita? It already lags so bad and now you are letting the..... I'll be nice this time and not finish that sentence.

I just threw out all the jump clone modules in my citadels in preparation for this mess. Hopefully, we can lock all of them up somewhere in 1 system.

Careful CCP, you are starting to act like Lameloft (Gameloft). That company is trash, don't follow in their footsteps. We love our pay to play EVE, please leave it as it has been for over a decade!!!

PLEX prices are going to CRASH! I pay for multiple accounts for my family members, now I don't have to. Good job CCP, you will lose SO much money in gameplay purchases.

If more people don't materialize, then what?

Sure, it might mean a temporary influx of people given all the news about it it, but so did B-R, and "This is EVE" and other newsworthy events. So I'll ask again, if (imo when, but ok let's go with IF) 'more people' doesn't happen, will this finally be enough to help naive people understand that it's not some barrier keeping people out of EVE it's a whole bunch of other stuff (like being a sandbox game in a world where gamers want and need directing, nonconsensual pvp in a world where people want protection from pvp, etc etc).

Just asking, because the same though occurs to me every time I see this kind of thing. Like how everyone was claiming that Dominion (and later Aegis) were going to be great for small groups, or how people proclaimed how daillies would bring lots of people back etc etc. Year after year we've seen this in discussions about EVE.

How many times do people have to be wrong before they change their thinking?

It seems a whole bunch of people don't understand the Gnosis "feature".

If you cannot train racial frigate / destroyer / cruiser / battlecruiser / etc., you cannot pilot a racial, navy, faction / pirate ship that requires those skills. e.g. A Caldari alpha clone cannot pilot any Gallente ships.

HOWEVER the Gnosis has no ship or battlecruiser requirement of any kind! It only requires Spaceship Command 1, which alpha clones can train (like all clones, they probably start with it already trained).

CCP may have overlooked this hull IF SKILLS ARE THE ONLY LIMITING FACTOR, which would be the obvious and simplest way to implement alpha clones.

This is bad! You can't reverse this decision. Pandora's box on steroids.

PLEASE DO NOT ALLOW TRAINING ON ANY SKILL PAST LEVEL 1 AT LEAST!!!! That will limit the damage these "free players" can do.

Sure you can.

And read the DevBlog, Alpha clones will have a limited set of skills. None of which they can train to lvl 5, some to lvl 3.

I'm pretty sure he's being irreverent, it's hard to tell because it's not funny but that's what I got from it.

While i like this idea i have a few concerns regarding certain gameplay styles this will affect.

1. Free hi-sec ganking alts, yep code can now field a ton of ganking catas and then just make a new account so they are not red and free from being counter ganked.

2. Venture fleets. now i from what i'm looking at its possible to have ventures with t2 mining lasers and mining upgrades. This to me seems VERY powerful. While not the best a Venture is still a mining beast and a disposable one at that. having a fleet of these will depressed the ore market a lot. (and yes i?m thinking about it :P) on the other hand it will reduce the cost of ships that have seen there price skyrocket for some reason. I personally think they should be limited to T1 mining lasers and upgrades.

3. Leadership. Why is this even in the list as by the time this comes out it will be of no use to Alpha clones anyways as they cannot fly a boosting ship.

4. While i cannot see any listed skills for PI i would like it confirmed that they will not be able to use PI skills. Also what will happen to a OMEGAS planet when they downgrade to ALPHA?

lol how many of us have laptops capable of playing eve in addition to our gaming rig?

i know i have 3 laptops in addition to my gaming rig.

only if they limit it by IP address will they be able to regulate it into uselessness.

still doesnt stop a player from using free alts as ammo dumps.

fit up a t1 hauler with t1 expanders scout your free alt into the area you intend to do PVE and pvp

have them filled up with extra ammo and hull reps/ armor reps. log them off.
now when you are in a region you only have to fly to the system you logged your alt off in
log your alt in. have it jetison the ammo or repairers you need and then log off again.

could save a crap ton of time for mission runners and pvpers who dont want to fly all the way home to refit and repair.

we will find ways to use them . i can already see myself having at least 3 of them just for ammo dumps in the regions i operate in. maybe another as an uncloaky scout/ scanning ship.