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Dev Blog: Introducing Clone States & the Future of Access to EVE

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Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#781 - 2016-09-01 08:05:02 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
I like the idea, it might get a lot of new players into Eve.

That's why you're a miner.

mining was an error of my noobship. Maybe with multiple accounts and multiplexing it would get interesting but at the moment I can't be booted to do so.

But for the discussion it's a bad try to devaluate arguments by attacking the arguer. Even if I would be a miner is my opinion less valuable then your leet vet PvP opinion? btw: You are most likely flying ships build from the minerals that the miners digged out of astroids. Next time mine your own minerals!Evil
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#782 - 2016-09-01 08:05:17 UTC
Still cannot get away from my initial feelings, this just introduces people to be farmed as easy kill cannon fodder, how many people will play a game where they will be slaughtered with ease by paying players. Eve is a kill farming game, the simple thing is that people got fed up with the imbalances around this and left, and now you want to bring in free player cannon fodder to keep the kill farmers interested. I noticed people who I classify as kill farmers who just like easy no risk kills liking the idea, their ego's need massaging obviously.

It will not work.

You would have been better off removing the imbalances and making the base account have two toons usable and trainable at the same time and six characters to chose from, while your free to play game on a single character only with no restrictions and reduced training speed. But I guess that you are too worried about your fall off in cash from that change to subs

I had a question whether the kill farmers would still find it satisfying to kill alpha clones and I think they will, after all they shoot anything that moves, and the white knuckle fights are not their fun anyway.

So CCP I just think you are going deeper into your destructive rabbit hole, it is a pity as there is so much good about this game, however I was already de-subbing and I for one will not play in an alpha clone to be an easy farm kill.

You are obviously hoping to attract old players back, but they left for other reasons which you don't deal with and coming back in an easy kill clone ain't going to work as it makes those issues even more evident. And those new players once they realise just how naff their clones are against paying players will walk away too.

Sorry but this is not going to end well...

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#783 - 2016-09-01 08:06:33 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Still cannot get away from my initial feelings, this just introduces people to be farmed as easy kill cannon fodder....


And here we have Johnny One-Note. Roll

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Titus Cole Dooley
Fuel Blocks for Dante
#784 - 2016-09-01 08:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Titus Cole Dooley
Free to play is the path to Microtransactions and a bad mobile game for OS.

There has to be a better way.
Eretria Amberle
Doomheim
#785 - 2016-09-01 08:07:45 UTC
In a nutshell,they are just renaming things like how PvP turned into the word Content,they are just calling UnSubbed=Alaphas and Subbed=Omegas.
Yes ,alot of Fluff there,but they are sliding skills into distinct catagories,skills for unsubbed (Alaphas) are being limited to "what is practical for a new player" and they can still be trimmed,while the subbed (Omegas) still have unlimited access,and etc for whatever they call the GMs or devs (maybe X-Rays ,Gammmas or Deltas) and their skill sets will be locked under that "clone state"

Free To Play- you know thats like a death sentence I knew there was a problem when my bank told me they blocked eve online from my card cause of suspicious behavior Thats my que to firesale everything ,really CCP you can have it back if you have to go to this ,i can spot you some isk ,if would that help.is there a plex avaiable cause a trial player (unsubbed or alapha clone state) wouldn't even be able to pay for the account with the ingame plex NoteUsers with Alapha Clone State (Status) are not eligible for PLEX rewards,one of the big starters for people was the concept of being able to play the game ,pay for the game throught the game..or will clone states also determine if you can be traded with?Maybe talked with?Able to recieve boosts??(cuz those 200 ventures will need boosts), to pvped with or against,separation by the clear division of wealth,can also use clone states to trim the spamming/scamming.or try Alapha Clone State does not allow you to use the skill but it sure will let you buy it ,lmao, at least we wont have to worry about a level 70 cap


You might not make the list for games closed down for the year 2016 ,you are looking like one of them that might fall hard for 2017 if not 2018.


If the trial doesnt bring in customers how is having more people playing for free with a skill cap of 5mil ,i figure it would make you work trying to keep someone sane in the help channel.I dont even know if there is Support for Eve,there is not live person there to help you just a big answering machine or email reader.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#786 - 2016-09-01 08:07:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Geronimo McVain
Cmdr Clawhammer wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Cmdr Clawhammer wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Cmdr Clawhammer wrote:
I have an secound account with 3 characters. All of them are skilled for planetary interaction (And nothing elese happens here). Can i still use and manage my pi with this account in alpha state? Thanks for the information.


No.


But iam able now to have my own mining fleet? Main Omega Char with orca and then 1~3 frigates killing rats + 3~4 mining frigates?


Sure, that appears to be an option.


Thats cool

Promoted!

From capsule commander to fleet commander :D

Additionally i now can take 2~3 ships as bodyguards with me, that's better then having drones, oh wait, even my bodyguards can use drones :D

Sure, if you want to take the hassle of it: do it.

I wrote on the inability of the Omega players to limit themself and to abuse each feature CCP gives us till it get nerfed away and THEN whaling that CCP is nerfing the game. That may be one of the reasons that we have less sandbox then we might have, if we players are ready to handle the freedom CCP gave us.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#787 - 2016-09-01 08:10:00 UTC
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Even if I would be a miner is my opinion less valuable then your leet vet PvP opinion?

Yes.
Quote:
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc

Quote:
McVain's Minning

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#788 - 2016-09-01 08:10:10 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Still cannot get away from my initial feelings, this just introduces people to be farmed as easy kill cannon fodder....


And here we have Johnny One-Note. Roll


I see you are trolling this thread with your lame posts Roll

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
BuntCakez
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#789 - 2016-09-01 08:13:18 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:

Yes.


This would only be true if you were a l33t pvper :D
Which, looking at your KB you are not :D

Maybe you arent posting with your main, in which case, no reason to take you seriously anyway :D

once again though Arkoth:

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#790 - 2016-09-01 08:14:01 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Teckos Pech wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Still cannot get away from my initial feelings, this just introduces people to be farmed as easy kill cannon fodder....


And here we have Johnny One-Note. Roll


I see you are trolling this thread with your lame posts Roll


Maybe you and your boyfriend Ripard should get a room...

Yeah, more new players are bad because they might get ganked. Roll Obvious solution: less new players.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#791 - 2016-09-01 08:14:04 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Geronimo McVain wrote:
Even if I would be a miner is my opinion less valuable then your leet vet PvP opinion?

Yes.
Quote:
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc

Quote:
McVain's Minning

Start reading the first paragraph of my text which you deliberately edited out. This corp is a one-man-tax-evading-corp and I will stick to the name even if it doesn't reflect my actual gaming.
This just shows that you are unable to handle other aspects of the sandbox then PvP. Valkyrie might be the game for you. Without the miners you would be forced to mine your own minerals: have fun. I don't want to do the job!
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#792 - 2016-09-01 08:15:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkoth 24
BuntCakez wrote:
sameshit.gif

Keep trying.

Geronimo McVain wrote:
bla-bla-bla

Evasive Maneuvering lvl 5 detected.

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Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#793 - 2016-09-01 08:28:31 UTC
Redusing the sub for playing the game will probebly work better than this ide.if you want more subs and players to stay in the game for a loonger period of time.P.it will probebly have a better chance of generating more incom for you to.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#794 - 2016-09-01 08:34:04 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Still cannot get away from my initial feelings, this just introduces people to be farmed as easy kill cannon fodder, how many people will play a game where they will be slaughtered with ease by paying players. Eve is a kill farming game, the simple thing is that people got fed up with the imbalances around this and left, and now you want to bring in free player cannon fodder to keep the kill farmers interested. I noticed people who I classify as kill farmers who just like easy no risk kills liking the idea, their ego's need massaging obviously.

It will not work.

You would have been better off removing the imbalances and making the base account have two toons usable and trainable at the same time and six characters to chose from, while your free to play game on a single character only with no restrictions and reduced training speed. But I guess that you are too worried about your fall off in cash from that change to subs

I had a question whether the kill farmers would still find it satisfying to kill alpha clones and I think they will, after all they shoot anything that moves, and the white knuckle fights are not their fun anyway.

So CCP I just think you are going deeper into your destructive rabbit hole, it is a pity as there is so much good about this game, however I was already de-subbing and I for one will not play in an alpha clone to be an easy farm kill.

You are obviously hoping to attract old players back, but they left for other reasons which you don't deal with and coming back in an easy kill clone ain't going to work as it makes those issues even more evident. And those new players once they realise just how naff their clones are against paying players will walk away too.

Sorry but this is not going to end well...

Very well said and 100% correct.


DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#795 - 2016-09-01 08:43:24 UTC
Zeera Tomb-Raider wrote:
Redusing the sub for playing the game will probebly work better than this ide.if you want more subs and players to stay in the game for a loonger period of time.P.it will probebly have a better chance of generating more incom for you to.

Damn, if they want more income - it's fukken easy:

- custom capsuleer-made ship skins for PLEX;

- custom corp logos for PLEX;

- more outfits for PLEX;

- CQ pets for PLEX;

- any-other-crap for PLEX.

Attracting more people who can't pay and wait for 'em to pay is kinda... weird?

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Drazz Caylen
Team-Pyro Industries
#796 - 2016-09-01 08:45:26 UTC
Teckos Pech wrote:
Cmdr Clawhammer wrote:
But iam able now to have my own mining fleet? Main Omega Char with orca and then 1~3 frigates killing rats + 3~4 mining frigates?

Sure, that appears to be an option.


No. It does not. It doesn't even "appear" to be one at all. Where do people get their ideas from? Only because this devblog did not explicitly talk about multiboxing and Alpha restrictions doesn't mean they are free to multibox. Trials cannot be Multiboxed. Why should Alphas be either? They haven't covered a lot of things which Alphas can do and won't be able to do, and the humongous problems with having them multiboxed is obvious.

Lots of folks jumping to conclusions which make no sense at all. Don't confirm something we don't know yet.
waltari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#797 - 2016-09-01 08:46:37 UTC
This entire idea is pure aids, The Old Republic applied basically same concept and player base dropped for about 900k players. Is CCP really THAT desperate? I feel soundwaves AUR shop bullshit dejavu, burn Jita lock down and economy jam much? A F2P concept simply can't be applied in some games as it wont work, eve is one of them. Don't fix what aint broken.
Zeera Tomb-Raider
Vega Farscape
#798 - 2016-09-01 08:47:36 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Mina Askold wrote:
With the new changes coming to eve my drive to play is going fast. I don't know how the rest of you feel but this whole F2P idea just screams fail, and if its as bad as most people think it will be or heck even half this may be the end for me.

Unless they make free accounts yellow safety only this is going to be a **** show, and I don't see myself staying for it.

I will be sticking it out to see how it goes but I'm not holding my breath

They have already nerfed or dumbed down just about everything in this game that took even a small bit of skill and have taken the griefing to a whole new lvl I just can't see myself giving them more money or isk to continue to ruin a game I have loved for so many years

At one point I ran many accounts at times as many as 10, I have been running one for over a year now......main reason for the trim down is the changes suck most of the changes they claim people asked for when they didn't.....

CCP you act like you know what your game needs...do you even play? almost all the changes in the past year have made things worse on almost every level save for the few forumwarriors ...........it was a good run for almost 10 years myself but if the crap keeps up 1 will be zero.....I seem to remember a letter from hilmar saying that this **** would stop and that they would return to the core of the game they loved so much....I can see now that was a total line of BS.......

I know nothing lost and don't let the door hit me on the way out but its that exact attitude that has taken 40K to 25k and no you can't have my stuff

Very well said and quite true.

I remember years ago, after the 2011 Summer Of Rage, CCP gave us their Commitment To Excellence, saying they would never release anything until after reviewing playerbase feedback and concerns by making sure all new content would be thoroughly tested, bug free and un-exploitable.

Yeah, really. I Feel mutch the same and will probebly unsub 4 of my 6 acconts.no reson left to have more than max 2 acconts Sad


DMC
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#799 - 2016-09-01 08:50:08 UTC
I like this idea, it will help pull more people into the game. Cruiser hull limit is a great choice, enables a wide variety of gameplay.

What I did not find / did not understand yet is, what happens to my character, if my subscription runs out. Will I be locked into my "birth" alpha skills, in my case Amarr alpha clone skills?

If you worry about misuses of the alpha clones, do not worry, I am sure they will be reiterated a few times.

We need more players, period :)
Rendering
Doomheim
#800 - 2016-09-01 08:53:21 UTC
ShahFluffers wrote:
So yeah... I can't add anything "constructive" to this Pandora's Box that CCP is about to open beyond, "trash the idea and the person who came up with it."

F2P in any form is, at best, a way to excise as much cash as possible out of a game/franchise.
At worst, it is the first death cry of a game.

I have rarely seen an exception to this.


Time to unsubscribe.


This is apparently a new concept to you so I'll try to help you out. A company's sole role, including ones that make video games, is to make money.

Also by your broken brain logic Dota 2, League of Legends, etc. are all dead games because you can play them for free.