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I can read. In fact, I can read what is and what is NOT there. There is no specific mention of either ship. What that tends to mean with CCP is someone over looked something.


And the answer to your question is simple: Because every single character in the game can fly it. So it's a very valid question: In absence of a specific statement one way or another(again, the skills for ventures are included in the trainable skills, and ventures are another of those 'well technically it's ORE but all the racial career mining agents give them out' type ships) does that statement of 'racial ship type only', which again appears to allow for consideration for the venture, allow for consideration for other ships which EVERY character in the game can fly?


So, relax, go bad post on reddit a bit, vent your angst, then come back and relax.


EDIT in response to EDIT:

Because the Yacht and Gnosis both can also be flown by trial accounts

That's true... but it would be game breaking if Alpha accounts could fly them. Gnosis are Jove-related ships, and absolutely classified as faction. They are too versatile and powerful for free accounts, though. If you have 40 in your hanger, you know that damn well yourself. Free accounts will not be flying the Gnosis. If they could, there'd be no point in restricting race or faction frigs.

Just curious - the punishment for botting is banning - but now its free to make accounts - so ccp would have to ban the ip. But I think (I may be wrong) that you can manipulate your ip address if you want. So CCP just effectively threw in the towel on botting - a botter gets banned - he just keeps making new accounts - since there is no cost or punishment to him there is no disincentive to botting.

I don't see that as really the case. The alpha clones will learn skills slower, and are not able to learn most the stuff that makes botting profitable. I mean sure there will probably be some of that because 50% of a cookie is still more than 0% of a cookie, but the limitations on the clones look like they'll be rather effective at curbing their usefulness for botting.

no because trial players never became a class of players like alphas will in the new model

Ok now eve jumps on the downwards spiral that all games go through on their way out the door...free to play...get ready for eve to be sold to a 3rd person company and CS to go in the toilet...but no seriously wtf ccp...this isnt going to bring in more players because its free...gankers and greifers are still a problem...and now you make it to where they can be even more anonymous...thanks for making it easier for them...and while your at it why not just let CODE run your entire Customer service department and you guys just retire...how about you actually fix whats wrong with new eden instead of giving up on us and hoping the word *free* will save us...it wont...a sad day in new eden history when that goes live...

Limiting Alpha accounts to T1 cruisers and below including T1 equipment where does meta level 4 equipment belong? Will alpha clones have access to it as some meta 4 equipment is better than T2 equipment.

One question:

Will Alphas have a capped maximum wallet balance?

Apologies if this have already been asked.

Edit: Answered my own question, thanks.

try reading the blog b4 posting maybe... or at least watch the video

Ill nutshell it for you...

The good:

1) Allows current subs more flexibility with alts
2) Allows new players to experience eve without time constraints.
3) Provides subs with more targets.

The bad:
1) Subs keep out a certain type of player many here will find undesirable. While people say well you can just avoid them, ignore them, etc... its like avoiding the white elephant in the room... lots of white elephants. At some point, it becomes easier to just stop playing.

2) Lots of free players do not always mean lots more paying customers. In a F2P/P2W game about 50% of the players will never pay 2 play despite the fact they are at a significant disadvantage. The Clone model of eve doesnt put them at a significant disadvantage. They can still do everything paying players can, just in crappier ships with crappier mods.

3) I see alliances capitalizing on the free players and creating huge TIDI blobs of cheap fleets to take and hold space.

4) Free players really dont add a lot of value to the game but will suck up a massive amount of resources.

5) Welcome to The Market Chaos Era. This is going to have all kinds of weird effects on the market from a variety of angles.

6) No game that i have played that has started either A) in game advertising( despite you paying for it) or B) a free to play mode has done well after that point. At that point you are on a slippery slope and about to lose your footing.

7) Hi! im Roenok and i have 782 Alt Alpha Clone accounts!

8) You, CCP, claims that support will not be affected. But we know thats not true. There are only two paths support can take with this and both of them hurt sub players. The first is that we have to wait stupidly long for our tickets to make it through a constantly backlogged system because of all the Alpha scrubs filing support tickets for stupid stuff. The Second is that CCP hires more support staff. Guess who is paying for that support staff? Sub players. So we either get shittier service or we provide welfare support for free players.

9) Keeping in line with point #8, taking revenue to spend on more support staff for free players also takes money from CCP staff to develop the game.

10) F2P players are going to crowd sub players out of high sec. They are going to suck up most of the resources in high sec while contributing very little to game play. High sec subs are going to get tired of this and do one of two things. One, they are going to move to low sec or null... which is great. Or they are going to unsub and go play something else where they dont have pay to compete with thousands of free players.

11) We are going to have the same tolerance of free players as we do bots, afk miners/ratters, and other undesirables. We are going to try to kill them to make them go away until they become to frustrating to deal with and then we are going to go away.

12) Honestly we would rather you spend more time on making eve awesome and less time on generating revenue. We have bugs that havent been fixed for months. You guys are fixing things that arent broken ( module tieracide) while neglecting things that we hate ( Fozziesov, SBU sov, Pos bash Sov). We ask for the game to have more entertaining PVE and your answer to that is super rats that will WTFOWN you faster than a cap hot drop. Your answer to everything the last few years is to either nerf it or dumb it down.

The only good thing ive seen in updates these last couple of years are ship rebalancing and possibly new structures but im still reserving judgement on those. Before you start trying to get new subs, try to keep the ones you got.


You want an answer to the trial BS... here it is:

1) Set up a free to play server that is separate from TQ.
2) No restrictions on this server
3) No customer support for this server. You want customer support you have to pay for it.
4) No plexes or skill injectors on this server.
5) The server is wiped clean every 6 months.
6) At any time you may transfer your character and your assets to TQ with your character in its current state. The cost of this transfer is that you buy a 1 month sub plus $5 transfer fee. The transfer fee is waived with a 3 month sub or more.

Play your heart out free player. When your sick of being reset, come join us on TQ. Otherwise take all the time you need to learn game mechanics. You could also leave the trial up on TQ as is and give people that option.


Ive been playing MMOs for 20 years. My first was a text based browser game on dial up. Ive player MMOs from EA, Blizzard, Atari, Trion Worlds, Big Point, Aeria, Kabam, Rockyou, Plarium, Machine Zone, and a host of other developers i cant remember atm, some of which have been defunct for years. And i can tell you from experience... going down this road is never good for the developer nor the paying customer.


But dont take my word for it.... ill quote this post and " i told you so" in a couple of years.