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The only thing about this mighty nerfing of off-grid boosting I know for sure is it is getting some really cool people, who just want to help out new people and solo-ers, to leave EVE forever.

Now I subbed a year about 2-3 months ago. I like mining. I like being boosted. I like my booster to be able to relax while playing, not working while playing.

Isn't this game about community? I've played EVE for years now, years apart of course, but every time I come back it seems they keep changing things nobody wants...actually that most people hate.

So if these changes are how you repay and reward long-time players, then CCP,, you have lost touch with your playerbase.

I don't PvP, FW, PI, explore, PvE, incursions or any of that crap. I like to mine some rocks while I chat with friends and not get blown up.

So if these changes go through, you can better believe that many people will cancel their subscriptions, I included.

It's always a sign of game companies that fail when they start to ignore their player base.
Nobody wanted these changes, everyone I know in-game hates these changes, these changes aren't needed.

Do better, CCP, because right now you really suck and I want my money back.

I play this game to mine with my friends, some of those friends can't stare at the screen all ******* day.

Let me add, of all the changes I've seen in this game (since 2005), this is the most asinine.

I truly hope that this is just some sick joke. CCP, and the devs responsible for this BS, you are killing this game.

No, he's not. All of the large players in nullsec understand industry and market manipulation are PvP.

There are a lot of specific implementation pieces that people do not want. But bringing boosts on grid has been a complaint of solo pvp players for a long time. It also makes sense. The range and mechanics feel off.

They don't care because they always cater to the PvPers who whine and cry louder than any carebear I've ever seen.

Miners only care about low-interaction productivity. If they took Rorqual boosts away entirely and applied it as a basic bonus to the individual ships you would think that was perfect. The Rorqual is merely an inconvenience as it currently is and the on-grid Rorqual is an even further inconvenience.

What you really want is a ship with an auto-pilot button that flies itself out to a belt, pulses a smart bomb and pulls all of the minerals into your cargo hold then returns the entire solar system's mineral wealth to your station so you can play with blue prints and make isk.

Or perhaps just an isk printing press...

PVE always wants convenience.

If they offered you a structure that did what the Rorqual did, you'd praise their genuine intellect and for seeing the light.

No. I hate that abomination of a mechanic and will not use it.

I mentioned in my first post that the Rorqual changes don't address the mindnumbing annoyance of warping between belts collecting rocks for 15 hours.

My point was that PVE has a tendency to prefer changes to the system which provide them with greater convenience which means that @Bo would probably be interested in the "Rorqual Tower" structure as a solution to the problem but doesn't want to admit it.

Improvement to PVE Mining content is a difficult thing to do... If mining was fun, minerals would be plentiful and not worth mining. The boringness of the activity inherently creates its value

Also @Bo, I'm not a mindless ganker. I've never ganked anything, actually. I'm more of a support ship pilot--I tend to favor stealth, command ships and logi which is why this thread interests me.

Wrong assertion.

27 pages in 22 hours about a topic that people have mixed feelings about.

If you read through most of it you will find real concerns about the actual implementation to make it worthwhile and folks pointing out loopholes in the system already. They provide data from their experience from all kinds of different playing fields.
Ongrid boosts are something not only wanted but needed to make the boosting mechanic worthwhile and reasonable by any stretch of the imagination.

Even if you cut out everyone who can't wait for the miner related devblog and thus put their opinions to the table based on their assumptions, the topic would still be fairly big.
Even if you cut out the whiners who think their boosting alt will be worthless, the topic would still be fairly big.


Sounds like you have tons of friends who just jump the gun. The mining devblog is not yet out. Hold your horses.

Most MMO's that use buffs allow the recipient to click off (turn off) beneficial buffs if they wish to no longer have the effects. Mostly this is just a waste of the materials / ammo the command ship used to buff the target, but there are some possible cases where extra MWD speed is not desirable. Will you let us turn off boosts by right-clicking their icon or something similar?

Also, if a cloaked ship is in range, will it be affected by the fleet boosts?

If yes, will the visual of the boost betray where that cloaked ship is?

How about same question for titan effects, particularly as they affect members of the opposite fleet too.

old boosts didnt allow that either and i think this adds unneeded complexity.