EVE General Discussion

Yes, we need to see what is the 99% about. Thats a lot of people!

Well if you´re assuming that only big(-ish) corps are corps who are useful for newbies then yeah. But there are also a large numbers of smaller corps in Highsec who might be able to teach newbros but are either surpressed by those constant wardecs or completely thriven off in the first place.

I.e. "Hey don´t you want to join our corp?" "Yeah sure, why not?"`"But we are wardecced atm so you have to look for a large amount of things *explains wardec mechanics*" "Err yeah, thx, but then i better stay in my NPC corp for now."

Now you see, I practice two principles that most people have been conditioned away from:

- Physical Removal. In this case, I don't read your crap, and if you were in the same room, I'd find somewhere else to be. It's a more common principle than you think, most of the people who won't play Eve because of people like yourself already practice it.
- I know who I and in fact I DO have every right to judge people. We have had 60 years of "who do you are that you think you have the right to judge me?" and look where western civilization has gone. So I practice the reverse of that anti-civilizational concept that we are somehow not allowed to judge others based on their character and their actions. This also requires a bit of adult-level understanding. For example, I look like a scumbag and sometimes when I go for a run the police have stopped me for looking like I was up to no good. But I have my ID number memorized (and no criminal record) and understand that people who get paid to make judgments will judge me on my appearance.

I know being judged might be a little hard to accept for some people. But as the old saying goes "evil flees where none pursue(th)".

Well.... If you really want to evade this question.... Then you CAN use maneuvers like that.

But 'NO U' does not make YOUR story more clean and trustworthy. And yes, it's YOUR story because YOU repeat it in every thread. YOU gave these 3 pictures so i would like YOU to tell ME why there are no any real results provided on 3rd picture. You believe to this story so either you have proofs or it's your bias.

And about 'CCP are lying'.... I'm pretty sure YOU know how to take their words spoken on Fan Fest.

Nah that´s Star Citizen

Why would you assume only big Corps? That seems like a rather stupid and unnecessary limitation.

Good Corps (or good Corp leadership) is never suppressed by wardecs. That's the opposite of good.

If you're scared of wardecs, then don't run a Corp. but there are plenty of Corps that are not bothered at all by wardecs.

I am not the only one _______ it seems.

But on more serious note, when even being the greatest in this field is endangered, then what future awaits us?

Hmmm, you make an interesting point about pvp and new players coming in.

https://secure.eveonline.com/ContentPacks/packContent.aspx?pack=Explorer

https://secure.eveonline.com/ContentPacks/packContent.aspx?pack=Industrialist

https://secure.eveonline.com/ContentPacks/packContent.aspx?pack=Colonist

https://secure.eveonline.com/ContentPacks/packContent.aspx?pack=Skirmisher


Imagine you are a new player, see this offer and buy, say, the Explorer Pack. Where does it say that this is a pvp game and the second you leave the starter system you'll lose it all?

Where in all the advertising does it specifically say that this is a pure pvp game? I can't find it.

What it does say is that you can do whatever you want, and be whatever you want to be. It doesn't say that you'll be incessantly abused and farmed as a miner to pad kill boards. It doesn't say that as an industrialist you will be harassed and bullied out of the game if you take stuff to market without an escort or second account. Where does it say that as an explorer you risk getting killed by someone who scanned the anom first and they are sat cloaked waiting for you? PVP is kind of given lip service with the skirmisher pack.

This game is advertised as a sandbox game, nowhere can I find one that says this is a pvp game so if you don't enjoy it, don't bother.

Does anyone seriously think that a new player buying the colonist pack is interested in pvp?

A lot might come along because they see the massive space battles, just to find that they happen once a flood and the rest of the time is spent getting enough isk to buy ships for next time.

How do we get more players? I don't know. But getting their expectations up in a certain direction just for them to find out it's completely different in game isn't a good recruitment policy.

Back in 1987 I went with a friend who was slightly older to get some food for his pet python. What I did not know was that he was getting a live mouse to feed it. I suppose this is the way of nature so that part did not bother me.

What was disturbing was the box they put the mouse in, the same little box they would put a hamster or gerbil or bunny, covered in friendly slogans about being somebody's beloved pet and nice imagery.

For a mouse that would be dropped into a cage with a python that would strike at it, squeeze the life out of it, and devour it. I found that little temporary pet container and the purpose of the mouse purchase to be at extreme odds and both funny and at the same time repulsive.

Your post reminded me of that.


Somebody who could not get past "funny" and conversely, somebody who cannot get past "repulsive" both have personality disorders.

Frankly a situation where people are sent into a situation where they can be "food" for somebody else's entertainment and those partaking in the food can blame the food for being food is a little sick. This is why PVP missions need to be included in the NPE and NPC corps should be wardeccing each other sporadically for "NOTHING PERSONAL" (because greifers make it personal as part of their game and meta-jollies) PVP so nobody goes forth like a happy little mouse that's going to be put in a cage with a python and have zero chance for escape.

I think the retention issues we see with Eve are the same you see with all “sandbox” style games. If you do not generate some sense of purpose to players when they get started, at some point in the near future they will quit. Many say “let me do what I want” then quickly follow it up with “ I’m bored give me something to do”. The purpose could be pvp related.. it could be to build something.. it could be to listen to over the rainbow while you save space hookers from the evil npc corps… It just needs to be a “something” that a player can get behind. But they do need the skills/know how to pull it off.

I would improve the first few days for new players. Enhance the career quests to dive deeper into some of the aspects of the game and teach a little more. Have quests that force them into low sec so they die, by a player. Then have some crazy npc message to hype them up about revenge and some other npc that is more passive that teaches them to prep better and know how to escape. I’m not talking hold their hand until they are flying carriers but just a true look at the different aspects of the game. Let them figure out how they want to play and give some tools to manage that play style.

I started eve because I wanted to fly cool space ships, that was it. I didn’t even know the game was pvp until I got into it. I prefer pvp in other games compared to eve. If I want to beat up on someone I go to SC2 or LoL. It wasn’t the dying to other players, its just a different type of pvp. Getting caught in endless gate camps just trying to get into a zone where you try to fight someone with 100mil more sp than you, who has also been playing for 10 years, didn’t motivate me.

I lucked out and had a friend that played to tell me about all the cool things I could do, which kept me going. There were a lot of things that could have been taught from the beginning to give someone goals to try and achieve. I do believe that new players understanding the true threats of the game is important. Losing your rookie ship or frigate might give you a jolt but it lets you know the risks. Floating around all safe until you worked up to a Hulk.. then getting your 300mil+ ship popped is a much more shocking experience.