EVE General Discussion

LOL I'm such a moron sometimes! :D


edit: WRONG THREAD DAMMIT

I dare you to mine with me and not die to tell about the tale ...

For what I saw in a video they are basically improving covetor, nerfing procurer and keeping retriever the same...

and same thing for the exhumers versions.

Am I correct?

Earlier in this thread you said you were using coveters, three of them, they are the most useless mining shps in the game with a tank that is not even up to the level of a wet paper bag, they blow up if you sneeze on them. If you use them the possibility of dying is very very high...

so, what are you "anti-skiff" people going to do when the high sec miners go back to mining in Battleships like it was years ago

you cant gank a Rokh or Apoc with 2 catalysts,

whats the difference between mining in a dominix and mining in a skiff?? slightly bigger cargo hold and slightly more yield, bit less on the firepower from drones on the skiff

according to Isk the guide pdf... the rokh and apoclypse mine almost as much as the skiff (if they use mining drones)... the dominix is a bit less, but cause its keeping its drones for defense (my version of ISK The guide Vol 1 Aegis 1.1)



incase your curious how this might work...
a DST has a fleet hanger that the ships can drop ore directly into instead of jet-caning (but jet-can is an option as well).. and the DST has hella faster align warp out then the Orca does... thats in a situation were an orca might be too risky, but i see orca's in belts all the time in high sec, so not realy an issue on that either

according to EFT, i just fit out a Rokh (all level 5 skills, which i have anyway)

has well over 80,000 ehp vs hybrid damage, and local reps (i put a large ancillary shield booster on it, thats more then sufficent)

it will mine 750 m3/min, and has a cargo of 3487 m3 (keeping drones for defense, not mining)

vs skiff which has similar tank, and does 1140 m3/min w/ 15k m3 cargo

at least with the rokh, i have option of lowering yield and adding guns to stomp something

Dominix - does not mine as much, tank is a bit weaker if you want more cargo space, but the drones are flat out brutal

This mining comparison by ships and modules might be of interest to you.

Well if the dedicated mining ships are not fit for purprose that has to be the way to do it. I could even use a Marauder if I wanted to, that would really be funny with Bastion mode and active reps..

would most likely have to use a Vargur marauder

shield tank, and 4 turret slots (not much mining yield there)... but the shield tank frees up low slots for more cargo room, and the local tank would make it all but immune to ganking (the fire power they would have to bring would be enourmous)

EDIT: eft shows vargur marauder = stupid insane tank, 375 m3 / min mineing yield, 3875 m3 cargo (so 10 min worth of mining befor have to jettison or dock)

While baltec1's proposal is interesting for 0.0 mining and no one can argue against it for that as a concept, it is rather interesting, his suggestions would be an absolute disaster for hisec and the balance of the game there.

Most asteroid belts in hisec are very small and in my 0.6 system I often only have one and a half cycles of ore before the roid is gone, that in itself makes a fleet in asteroid belts a non-starter. Most miners in hisec are solo players who have one or two characters in space, you have people spread out in different systems because of the lack of minerals and the only real fleet mining of note is the race around ice belts. Of course there are exceptions and you will see some multi boxers clearing betlts at a insane speed.

For hisec the only thing that counts is how much tank you have before CONCORD arrive, nothing else matters, at the moment hisec players have balance in that they can chose ships for yield and or tank, when chosing for yield they have to get that ship out as soon as a threat comes in local, or get aligned and then warp out when people come onto D-scan. That is not really a simple thing as people make out because in some systems there are always gankers in system. So the balance is that you can at this point get into a shiop and fit it so that the gankers have to make a special effort to gank you, they have to bring friends, which I am told by the gankers is what Eve is all about. Sadly for them this is not the case, baltec1 has suggested 80k to 90k as the level which I can point out is directly within the range of solo players multi boxing.

He also wants to remove the ore bays as they are now and get back to the fitting choices for cargo, so that a solo miner who fits for tank is at an even greater disadvantage.

The balance for hisec is simply this you can chose ships for tank or yield and select ships that are cheap and easy to replce if ganked or if the risk is really great you tank a Skiff to the max which means they have to make a special effort, but you lose out on yield.

Currently when you look at hisec systems out of the way you see a good sample of different ships being used, I see Hulks, Mac's and Retreivers all the time, I also see a number of Procurers and the odd Skiff. What I don't see are coveters, well once I did and it was a Goon which made me laugh.... What does this say, well in my system it rarely gets visited by gankers, this means that people chose more yield based fits.

If you then compare this to Kino for example there are gankers in tat system all the time, therefore people who mine there use the Skiff. The gankers leave them alone because they are based in various systems and pick of yield and the lower level mining ships, they are not prepared to move additional resource into those systems and gank the Skiffs.

So as per normal the gankers because they are lazy and entitled are calling for a nerf to the base hp of the procurer and skiff.

In terms of game balance for hisec miners they have a choice based on yield and tank and convience which actually works for them, a major reversal from the complete abortion that they had before, which was a choice between a ship with the tank of a wet paper bag or another ship with the tank of a wet paper bag.

At this the balance is fine because people who want to be hard to kill are able to jump into a ship which they can setup to be hard to kill so that the gankers have to make a special effort, if CCP reduces the base amount then that choice is removed from hisec miners. If CCP does this then all they are doing is giving easy kills to gankers again and making it so miners are not able to get into a ship that requires a special effort and that is an issue for the game.

It is not my problem that the gankers cannot get enough people to gank a Skiff, it is their fault, their lack of effort, and if CCP makes it easy for them again then CCP will prove beyond all doubt that they are only interested in giving easy kills to the easy kill brigade. You need to think it through CCP. By all means increase the number of slots for the other ships, set up the Hulk and coveter as flexible fleet ships, but leave hisec with the option of the current Skiff which requires the gankers to up their game, if you do not you are letting hisec miners down yet again and will prove beyond all doubt that you are pandering to the gankers in your decisions.