EVE General Discussion

If you want validation on how awesome you are, get a dog.
You knew the answer before you asked, you just wanted an AUTHORITY to give you what you wanted so you could build a case on how awful things were in your view.

Things are working as intended. CODE. is as effective as they are because nobody can be arsed to take responsibility for their own safety. Ganking is DOWN from where it used to be, we just have more puling screamers crying to high heaven about how ungodly UNFAIR it is that they can't fap or watch youtube while they are effortlessly making ISK in the game because mean people have figured out how to hurt them... and efficiently too. My gawd, that freighter costs BILLIONS it should cost BILLIONS to destroy.

Horse Hockey.

Stop trying to make a case for ISK tanking.
There is no case.
The value of your ship is not the toughness of your ship.
This is one of the very few MMO's out there where the knowledge of the player when it comes to how to play the game vastly outweighs the effectiveness of the numbers on their character sheet.
If a PLAYER has figured out a way to do murder to a ship that is VASTLY more expensive than the ship they are flying that is not an exploit. That is them being clever, and clever merits reward far more than dumb and lazy.
No trophies for participation, no cookies for attendance, NO SPRINKLES ON THE ICE CREAM FOR LOSERS.

It is now 'deal with it o'clock'.... do you know what time it is?

Seems like CCP cant just get all PvE right after all those years. They did some things to research it, but it was too little and were always concerned about only barely holding those players with engineer tinkerer things. What thery were thinking is that players wil entertain themselves when they throw them inside the harsh realities of EVE. All of those decisions in long run started to affecty their ability to maintain subscriptions in stable numbers. Not much evolution?

This is somewhat sad.

No. Not menacing. A wake up call. It is what it is. You can choose to accept it, you can choose to walk away from it, or you can choose to try to change it. The last bit is the only path that involves external resistance. Most of us love it how it is, or at least have learned to accept it for it's true nature. Trying to change it's nature to fit your preconceived notions of what should be will result in opposition, scorn and poop flinging. It's been this way for a long time and hopefully will remain so for a long time to come.

But if they would only make ganking more punished, they would not eliminate it, but make it only a minor inconvenience. Eliminating it completely would be like removing terrorism from real world completely, and that is I think impossible.
So lets compromise on locking them out of high sec for extended periods of time.

Miners would need still to watch out for those bigger and nastier rats of course, but with them should come greater ISK, Dread spawns as a prototype of it?

What I think the development board should really think harder about whole thing.

Would your stiffer penalties apply to people on their first/second offense, or would the first few ganks be forgiven?

Because if you forgive the first few ganks - obviously you leave a loophole for people to exploit....And if it is tied to security status they can just use tags to buy that back...

But if you *don't* forgive the first few ganks - you are going to shut down the entire EVE career of every new player who decides to see what happens when they set that safety to red and shoot somebody on the rookie system undock (which is quite a few of them last time I checked)... This is true to real-life, but I'm not sure it is a good idea in a game for one foolish mistake to essentially end their lives.

Either way it seems like a flawed system, and you might as well just skip it and argue directly for complete removal of ganks in high-sec from the game mechanics. CCP still won't listen to you (yet, anyway) - but it has less unintended consequences that directly hit new players... (though I suspect it might cause some chaos in the EVE economy)

wait wait... I got this one.
Short list, not including the zero sum bowhead hyperdunking situation.
Massive hull boosts for ALL ships.
Added low slots so freighters could fit a tank.
Damage control systems made passive so they even work while autopiloting...
Rebalance of a number of specific ships, which my drunk ass wont bother going into detail on.

That's your short list of RECENT nerfs to ganking.
Oh, and for those who are mathematically impaired, almost ALL of these changes/features/nerfs involve making a 'non-combatant' ship harder to kill.... resulting in a larger amount of DPS to gank them before CONCORD drops the hammer on the involved. At the least this means better/more expensive fit ships to the job, on average this means more ships to do the job... in other words it's more difficult.

on to economy. if **** does not blow up, people will not buy more ****. it is known.
That is all.

Actually, that's not all.
OP is now somewhat squirmy in the realization that they have truly stepped in it.
They took a sniff and did not like the smell.
I hope our ISD in all their sadistic glory move this to C&P so that the wolves may feast at their leisure.
That is all

Oh, no. I think I should clarify that what you consider nerf to ganking was in fact only a smoke courtain for everyone from CCP. Boost to tank of ships only need more gaker alts to be there. This alone was not to make it less prevalent in effect. Fail from CCP side. Changes actually are in effect not to make it less prevalent, it is clear that the system dont punish you for gank severely to make it less prevalent. So actually ganks are repetitive, with the same characters over and over in short periods of time. There is no consequences powerful enough in effect that would prohibit that, and if you think this current situation punishes ganker, its not clearly as harsh as should be to shift the narration.

Ugh, maybe I should make something else.
Like read a blog where CCP writes:


No word about gankers, fhew...