EVE General Discussion

I do love suspect baiting. For the true adrenaline rush you need to hold yourself to a certain standard and not up-ship or bring in alts to help yourself unless they go crazy in over-shipping/blobbing you though - at least for me I only get the adrenaline rush if there is a fairly real chance I might lose if they play their cards right.


Also as people are people, and this is EVE - I do find they still always try to make you feel guilty when you win. They can blob you 5-10v1 and if you just barely win they'll guilt trip you over picking on "noobs" like them...though their attempts to brag if they win are almost as bad. I generally just ignore the local chat for the most part lol.

Eve was growing at its fastest rate back when ganking was a hell of a lot easier and there was a number of other ways to get pvp in highsec that don't exist anymore.

But ganking was not so prevalent in the whole narration, actually everyone I ask thinks its gradually became worser. But if it isnt true, and data speak against this, there is something more than numbers and data, its feelings people have about that, what makes them not try the game in the first place. And if they try and are disgusted, well, you get those threads.

If ganking must be in this game, at least shift narration, and make act of it more punished, because its overdestructive I think.

Thanks for the advice, but I learned my lesson a long time ago. That lesson is that I am much happier when I avoid Empire space all together. The only 2 characters out of 11 total I have left in high sec are a hauling alt and my "emergency back up isk guy" (my incursion toon, that I only use if I can't do anything else or just don't feel like doing null sec or WH space that night). I just flat hate the mechanics of low sec (pvp and pve) and well, high sec is high sec.

DUDE (or DUDETTE), that is also one of my pet peeves.

Like when someone creates a thread with a 'question' like "Is {Thing they don't like} too powerful/unbalanced?" then go on to answer their own question....of course it is or they wouldn't be making that thread..
Makes my teeth grind, because it's them trying to appear 'reasonable' when they have already made up their mind. It's like saying "I don't like this, and this is why" is hard for them.

And again, thanking you for your answer, I think all the information players gave me can be summed up like that:

If you belong to an alliance focused on suicidal gank you can have:

- 1:30 isk ship killing ratio ( from a not official source, I hope I can update it from an official source)

- If you loot ( unsure about it actually ) let's say 50% of the ship value of the ships you kill the ratio is 1:15 so every month that you play you can hopefully plex ( or play for free) the next 15 months.

- It's a very safe activity because you do it in hisec, you kill players that are usually also insulted and consedered stupid players, you have no consequences and you can decide the engagement .

- There is no fight involved, you attack them and kill them in their expensive ship and you die for Concord in a cheap ship ( and I imagine you become suspect so you can even safe the capsule if you warp away from other players quickly because Concord I think don't kill your capsule)

If someone says me I can kill a 300mil isk battleship with my 10mil condor risk free with no fight in hisec and ask someone to loot the ship and share the loot I think I would be glad to do it.

So I think:

- 10mil ship is so powerful, incredibly powerful, a real joke.

- 300mil ship is weak, incredibly weak, a real joke.

Or there is some serious game mechanic exploitation

Or alliance players are the most intelligent in the wolrd while the ganked ones are the most stupid in the world.

But the last one is unlikely, I always tend to think persons are all average intelligent.

Turning the topic in the correct place soon.

So to me it seems its weak PvE. Static and repetitive. Sorry CCP. the most joy I get is when my ship is barely holding tank and I have to warp out to survive, and I survive and am happy. Things I never actually had in this particular site at that moment. It is engaging. Another thing is other players that are inside sites to run them. They may steal the loot, and that is something what adds danger to all of it.

These are all good things, same as ISK/RISK corelation, when the ISK is not available without RISK, and I am talkinag about real RISK, random, dangerous thing.

Your original post stated that you used zkill...

Obvious troll is obvious, stop pretending to be a new player "asking a question" already.



Or the 300 mil ship is flown by an idiot...and the intelligence of the 10 mil ship pilot is irrelevant because he is killing an idiot.

As for your isk ratio, I picked a random person from the top 10 in EVE to compare with your supposedly randomly selected alliance:

This Man Flies 60% solo and 40% in gangs, and has a 100 to 1 isk efficiency Ratio. Start ranting about how broken he is please.

It needs to be addressed urgently...

You can believe me or not, I'm not a long time player.

Zkill I use because I began to try factional warfare and I use zkill to see what kind of fitting those fw players use ( I see the loss ships to see it )

That player you linked I suppose I already saw him in the top players and from the location of his kills and his alliance I think he belongs to the other topic that is discussed often, the wardeccers.

Edit: to call persons idiots is rude. Maybe they simply don't know exploited mechanics, if mechanics are exploited, or they don't know their ships are extremely underpowered for their cost.

This one is a low-sec pirate - similar to FW, just less formal.
This one lives in 0.0 space...

All with higher isk efficiency than CODE...

Are they all broken too? Perhaps we should just trash the entire game and start over?