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Nobody said that they will be easy to obtain.

Why should I bother when I have tasty implants worth 2.3-2.5k isk per LP available on the store instead? Those always sell, and I can buy quite a few after an evening of running Anomic missions

Whats up with the production cost on the dreadnought?

30-40b? You could buy a super for that money and be ten times more effective.
And its still outclassed by a nag or phoenix.

Consider 2 or 3 times the mats for a moros, please.

That's not an excuse though for frankly rediculous costs, thats like if CCP made a ship that had a really cool ship model but **** stats and then backed up the reason for making it with "We thought it's cool, it's not even intended for common use". There isn't a point to making something if you fully expect it to never have an "effective" (key word their) use.

Cost is not a balance parameter. When CCP originally introduced Titans they figured there might be 3-4 of them in the game at one time at most. We can see how that worked out.

That's why I said these aren't cost-effective, not that they wouldn't be effective at all. If you bring an equal number of these ships vs an enemy fielding regular Caps you'll likely kick their teeth in.



These ships are pretty much outright better than their Gallente counterparts so I'm really not sure what you're on about...

Key words "right now". The Moros was top of the heap for a long while, I'm sure it'll come around sooner or later.

Plus people in WHs with more Isk than they know what to do with (literally, I know some of these people) will grab these things just to kill Sleepers faster or win hole-fights with one less Dread needed.

This. 100%. What the heck CCP. It takes 30-40b to build it (lets say 40b for easy rounding because of the new serpentis parts), and at least 5b to fit it nicely. In the end, you're looking at a Moros that costs 45b isk that does a whopping 12.5% more damage and around 30-40% more EHP with 1 extra mid to fit a vindi web.

You're stuck in siege for 5 minutes. Someone drops 3 dreads/1 super minimum and you go in a glorious ball of fire before you exit siege.

For that price, you can literally buy and fit 2 supercarriers (assuming 18.5b for hull/rigs, I've seen on forums) and cheap ish 4b fits. Each super gets 7-10x more ehp, 2-3x the damage, isn't stuck in siege for 5 minutes, a lot harder to catch in lowsec, and can receive reps.

Why not make the build cost something like 6-7b? That would be 4x as much as the standard moros, which is the current theme with the other capitals (4x their t1 equivalent, or so), and would make a fully fitted one somewhere around 10-11b, which would be about twice as much as a well fit out moros, running 5.5b, making it worth it, in a way.

And yet if you look around at the Killboards you'll find people flying Officer fit Battleships, sometimes more than one in a month. After a certain point in this game people just stop caring how much stuff costs.

Also you just poked a hole in your own argument. Better in most ways. Someone will use it, either because they have a use for it or because they have more ISK than they know what to do with. In either case, arguing that these things cost too much for anyone to ever use is ridiculous. I give it less than six months before we've got at least one of these Dreads dead on a KB somewhere, and less than a year for the Titan at least showing up on a KB.

Cost is not a balancing factor, but it is a proliferation factor. Nullsec is already rolling in ISK, and if a Serp dread cost "only" 4x the amount the normal one did, you'd see them everywhere right quick. There'd be at least one in any fleet battle.

Even if you can make an argument about another capital ship's price, there are people that just aren't interested in flying those other capital ships. They have their dread, they trained for their dread, they like their dread, they want this awesome dread, and for prestige purposes they will have this awesome dread.

And here I thought we would be getting new hulls for these new capitals. Disappointing that we aren't. No new hull cant hardly justify the cost to obtain these.