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Dev blog: DirectX 9 Phase Out

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2016-06-06 05:13:18 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
Arrek Lemmont wrote:
EVE itself runs fine for me with DirectX11 but the Mumble overlay won't, so I have to play EVE in DirectX9.

Is CCP working with the Mumble developers to sort out what's going on with Mumble and EVE and DX11?


I'm afraid this would be on the Mumble developers, we dont officialy support Mumble integration and I would recommend you file a bug report on their GitHub project.

I will accept this answer if anyone at CCP with Windows 10 64 bit has Mumble overlay working on their computer. That's a canned answer and the fact is EVE's incompatibility with Mumble is a failure.

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Darkblad
#122 - 2016-06-06 08:25:37 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
I will accept this answer if anyone at CCP with Windows 10 64 bit has Mumble overlay working on their computer. That's a canned answer and the fact is EVE's incompatibility with Mumble is a failure.
Not a "solution" per se but a workaround until this gets fixed (read: probably forever): Try this.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#123 - 2016-06-06 15:12:25 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
Primary Suspect wrote:
When money talks bullshit walks i guess.


I dont quite get your sentiment, except that we will save development resources by being forced to choose less efficient options for the graphic features we impliment. We can then spend our time investigating and implimenting better and more efficient visuals.

For example the clouds, they are slow... we know this and we dont like it! We have an option to make them run faster but it's a DX11 only feature. That is why we're removing them from DX9 and converting them over to the next system for DX11.

CCP Vertex, I think what he means is players with a lot of money, who can afford to upgrade their computers and most likely have a lot of accounts, get what they want. Whereas those who cannot afford to upgrade and can barely keep one account going are first getting marginalized, and eventually thrown under the bus.

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Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#124 - 2016-06-06 17:40:07 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time

This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon


As I said. Use test version and make sure overlay is active at all times (otherwise there is a very bad memory leak). Works perfectly by activating show FPS for me (tested with up to 5 clients for hours).
Tiranius Avetus
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#125 - 2016-06-06 18:48:44 UTC
For everyone with complains about DX11
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#126 - 2016-06-06 20:37:33 UTC
Axhind wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time

This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon


As I said. Use test version and make sure overlay is active at all times (otherwise there is a very bad memory leak). Works perfectly by activating show FPS for me (tested with up to 5 clients for hours).

no buddy I know what you said and the issue is a bit more serious and it's why you have people who say it works and others who don't. It comes down to administrator privileges and UAC, apparently.

Quote:
First, let's check if your user account has insufficient permissions. If your account has improper permissions, nothing that was suggested before will make a difference.

Step 1. Ensure that your User Account Control (UAC) is entirely disabled.
Go to Start, Control Panel. On the top right, set "View by:" to Small icons. Click on User Accounts. Click on "Change User Account Control settings" and set the bar to the lowest level, "Never notify". Click OK and restart if it prompts you.

Step 2. Activating the true Administrator account.
Go to Start, and in the search bar below your programs, type in Command Prompt. Right-click on the program and press "Run as administrator".

Type in, without the quotations, "net user administrator /active:yes"

If it displays that "Access is denied", go back into cmd and type in, without quotations, "sfc /scannow". This will fix integrity issues with your Windows installation.

If it worked, then log off your account & log into the new Administrator account. Ensure that the User Account Controls are properly set to "Never notify" again on your new account, open up Mumble first, ensure that the overlay is enabled, and then open up EVE.

Then log back in to your original account & in the Command Prompt, without quotations, type in "net user administrator /active:no"

Help, I can't download EVE

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#127 - 2016-06-07 03:53:09 UTC
Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#128 - 2016-06-07 05:08:55 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Axhind wrote:
Rain6637 wrote:
DirectX 9 lets Mumble overlay work some of the time
DirectX 11 breaks Mumble overlay all the time

This issue is 2 years old now. Any solutions for getting Mumble overlay to work with EVE Online, pretty much the only game that has an issue with Mumble, and has since Rubicon


As I said. Use test version and make sure overlay is active at all times (otherwise there is a very bad memory leak). Works perfectly by activating show FPS for me (tested with up to 5 clients for hours).

no buddy I know what you said and the issue is a bit more serious and it's why you have people who say it works and others who don't. It comes down to administrator privileges and UAC, apparently.

Quote:
First, let's check if your user account has insufficient permissions. If your account has improper permissions, nothing that was suggested before will make a difference.

Step 1. Ensure that your User Account Control (UAC) is entirely disabled.
Go to Start, Control Panel. On the top right, set "View by:" to Small icons. Click on User Accounts. Click on "Change User Account Control settings" and set the bar to the lowest level, "Never notify". Click OK and restart if it prompts you.

Step 2. Activating the true Administrator account.
Go to Start, and in the search bar below your programs, type in Command Prompt. Right-click on the program and press "Run as administrator".

Type in, without the quotations, "net user administrator /active:yes"

If it displays that "Access is denied", go back into cmd and type in, without quotations, "sfc /scannow". This will fix integrity issues with your Windows installation.

If it worked, then log off your account & log into the new Administrator account. Ensure that the User Account Controls are properly set to "Never notify" again on your new account, open up Mumble first, ensure that the overlay is enabled, and then open up EVE.

Then log back in to your original account & in the Command Prompt, without quotations, type in "net user administrator /active:no"


As discussed in Jabber this is for the confused people using win10. If you are using win7 then no need to muck around with UAC.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#129 - 2016-06-07 14:30:42 UTC
Windows 7? Do you play EVE on a government computer or something

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Azahar Ortenegro
Seashells and Fireflies
#130 - 2016-06-07 19:02:38 UTC
On a secure computer. Hence W7.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2016-06-07 19:06:42 UTC
CCP Maxwell
C C P
C C P Alliance
#132 - 2016-06-08 09:55:57 UTC
Yongtau Naskingar wrote:
dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.


Are you still using the old launcher? This should not happen in the new launcher.

You can get it here: https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/

CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB
CCP Maxwell
C C P
C C P Alliance
#133 - 2016-06-08 10:33:51 UTC
Coredeath Cicada wrote:
Arrakis Askiras wrote:
Dominous Nolen wrote:
So for those of us who play on older hardware, we're **** outta luck eh? Thanks CCP. G-FING-G


Not just people with old hardware. Got a spanking new ATI/AMD graphics card (well, not spanking new but almost: R9 390) and with DX11 I had frequent crashes which caused me to lose two ships (a Proteus and a cheap frig). Since I've switched to DX9 I've had no crashes. Apparently I'm not the only one with that problem.

It's nice that CCP intends to move forwards but please make sure that everything works on the 'new' API before you switch old the more stable legacy mode.


I also use a R9 390x, I can confirm using DX11 crashes my system and since turning back to DX9 Ive had no crashes and no performance issues, in fact the game runs smoother. For example, that gas cloud on the Amarr trade hub, no slowdown in DX9, slowdown in DX11 + crashing.

My ticket was told to 'Just go to DX9' after filing my log and error report to CCP. Not a fix, just a temp solution and left it at that. Midn you that was back in 2015. If a plugs being pulled can the ATI card users get some stable love first?



Any chance I can get you to try DX11 again, preferably with logging enabled, so that if you run into a crash you could send me the log?

CCP Maxwell - QA Engineer - Team RnB
venom zp
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2016-06-10 17:00:36 UTC
GeForce gts 250 with dx10 will work ? Checkmark near dx9 in launcher settings are not , but ctrl+F in game shows dx9
CCP Darwin
C C P
C C P Alliance
#135 - 2016-06-13 10:50:55 UTC
venom zp wrote:
GeForce gts 250 with dx10 will work ?

When DirectX 9 is deprecated, you will need a DX11-compatible GPU to run Eve. The Nvidia GeForce GTS 250 does not support DX11, so at that point you'll have to upgrade.

Note that DX11 graphics cards have been out a long time and it should be possible to get a compatible GPU for a very modest price.

CCP Darwin  •  Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online  •  @mark_wilkins
Bloph
Lamarr Industries
Rock Ridge Alliance
#136 - 2016-06-13 19:10:40 UTC
CCP Maxwell wrote:
Yongtau Naskingar wrote:
dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.


Are you still using the old launcher? This should not happen in the new launcher.

You can get it here: https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/



Downloaded, on running it says it will wipe my current installation of Eve & re-install. But I only need the new launcher, why the sledgehammer?
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#137 - 2016-06-13 23:48:24 UTC
Bloph wrote:
CCP Maxwell wrote:
Yongtau Naskingar wrote:
dxdiag reports I can use DirectX 11, but the launcher says my laptop only support DirectX 9. Yay.


Are you still using the old launcher? This should not happen in the new launcher.

You can get it here: https://community.eveonline.com/support/download/



Downloaded, on running it says it will wipe my current installation of Eve & re-install. But I only need the new launcher, why the sledgehammer?




Bear in mind it's talking _specifically_ about the client, not the shared cache.

It stores the client in a different location, than the old launcher did. In part, so you don't have permissions issues for updates, which cropped up on a semi regular basis with the old launcher.

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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
#138 - 2016-06-20 21:44:34 UTC
Vincent Athena wrote:

CCP Vertex, I think what he means is players with a lot of money, who can afford to upgrade their computers and most likely have a lot of accounts, get what they want. Whereas those who cannot afford to upgrade and can barely keep one account going are first getting marginalized, and eventually thrown under the bus.

If your playing on a 5+ year old computer and can't afford to upgrade or even just buy a cheap more upto date machine. Your hardly going to pay the subscription fee or even grind. Most computers have a Mean Time Before Failure of about 3-5 years. Your machine could die any minute. Your telling me you won't replace it in that situation?

In other news i am outraged CCP won't let me play Eve on my old 486 (yes i have one. It sort of works, with 4Megs of very flaky ram and a floppy drive! It has a 1G HDD wow. )

AKA the scientist.

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Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#139 - 2016-06-20 22:09:48 UTC
Delt0r Garsk wrote:
Vincent Athena wrote:

CCP Vertex, I think what he means is players with a lot of money, who can afford to upgrade their computers and most likely have a lot of accounts, get what they want. Whereas those who cannot afford to upgrade and can barely keep one account going are first getting marginalized, and eventually thrown under the bus.

If your playing on a 5+ year old computer and can't afford to upgrade or even just buy a cheap more upto date machine. Your hardly going to pay the subscription fee or even grind. Most computers have a Mean Time Before Failure of about 3-5 years. Your machine could die any minute. Your telling me you won't replace it in that situation?

In other news i am outraged CCP won't let me play Eve on my old 486 (yes i have one. It sort of works, with 4Megs of very flaky ram and a floppy drive! It has a 1G HDD wow. )

If he still has it, Falcon has kept his computer running for a decade or something crazy like that.

Help, I can't download EVE

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ube smoked
State War Academy
Caldari State
#140 - 2016-06-23 13:10:16 UTC
Lord's Prophet wrote:
Linux users require DX9 too.

Time to upgrade to Windows.