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No. You can still take a Loki or Sleipnir/Claymore and give a very similar bonus.
However, there are no links in game that give raw hp like Erebus / Leviathan do, only the Mindlink Imps have the same type of bonus but not even half as strong.
There's also the Avatar's bonus, which doesn't even have something that competes for the same bonus.

On a similar note, thoughts on "Cap Warfare Resistance" instead of "Cap Recharge Rate" for the Avatar?

I really do have to question the logic of making the ships with more tank slots also have higher base HP. Obviously the titans are in a better spot in this regard than supercarriers because of the lack of the resist bonus that the wyvern and aeon have, but it still doesnt make sense to me for amarr/caldari ships to have such a twofold advantage in natural tanking ability.


I understand the desire to keep differentiation between the races but it seems to me that there would be a better balance if the gal/min capitals had higher base hitpoints than their counterparts. Without that extra tank slot there still would be no way for them to match the outright tank of the amarr/caldari capitals but it would serve to bridge the EHP gap somewhat. I'm sure you've seen the numbers from the supercarrier thread but it is plainly ridiculous that aeons have nearly double the EHP and resists of a nyx.

Obviously with the loss of the tanking slot the gallente and minmatar capitals also gain a utility mid/low, but I'd argue that said slot is far less valuable than when the same treatment is given to subcaps. Firstly, the number of slots is high enough that the gain of a utility mid is only going to be a marginal gain. Going from 5 mids to 6 is nice but it's not going to really affect the capabilities of the ship the way that going from 2 mids to 3 mids would. Additionally and perhaps more importantly, supercaps generally aren't responsible for providing their own utility such as EW with their spare slots. Therefore, there's a quite limited amount of items to fit in these spare slots, and the difference between 5 and 6 isn't going to make a real meaningful difference once stacking penalties start applying. About the only advantage the erebus and rag have is marginally better application against subcaps with an extra TP/TC/TE than their peers.

does that even hold up with the capital plates and shield extender?

In the case of 2 bonuses on the same thing, it'll use the strongest bonus. So it'll use the Rag's bonus, it'll use the Erebus's bonus over 'armoured warfare' skill bonus to fleet members, etc.

Also, you prefer the Claymore because it can throw in 2 other links that are bonused and you can even use command processors to use more if you want.

IIRC the Titan boosts are like the squad commander boosts. They can boost without being outside of the POS shield, just can't use warfare links.



Your math is wrong. The Leviathan gets a 76% DPS boost at level 1.
(1 + (1 * 0.5)) / (1 - (0.15 * 1) = 1.7647

For a 76.5% increase to DPS.

Rate of fire isn't multiplied, it's divided. Same applies to the Rag/Erebus.

(1 + (1.8 * 1)) / (1 - (0.05 * 1) = 2.9474

For a 194.7% increase to DPS

That also changes your level 5 stats to:

Leviathan: +1200% DPS
Erebus/Ragnarok: +1233.3% DPS
Avatar: +900% DPS

At least if I'm not dumb and did the math right.

Of course, none of this actually matters as nobody would be dumb enough to fly them without level 5, right?

Thank you for setting me straight on this point.

Note that your maths actually proves that it's the Avatar that sucks the most though.

Have the EHP updates been made already, because I could have sworn that Titans had much more EHP than they do now, the last time I checked. This update seems to have cut their EHP almost in half (you can buff them again with the new modules, but still).

But either way you look at it, these new stats look like a straight DPS upgrade. Remember, these are all the damage multipliers per gun. Take them all together, and a Level 5 Titans boasts more DPS with its regular guns than a sieged dreadnought.

Frankly, I don't particularly care that someone who only trains Caldari Titan IV does poor damage. It's a 100B ISK ship. Train the skill to V or GTFO.

I swung by the test server to look at the new stuff, and there's a lot of it. The new Reaper and Lance Doomsdays appear to be those advertised to us in previous dev blogs, and each race has their own variants.

But there seems to be a new type of Doomsday as well. Rather the one that over-loads Capacitors, it appears to be some kind of super-smartbomb (like the Doomsdays of old). I can't remember the exact details, but it appears to generate a disruption in spacetime that heavily damages ships within a 10km radius of the Titan. Unlike the others, as well as the "Hand of God" Doomsday, this one can be used by all races.