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Ive nearly had enough. The changes for nothing more than change has been doing my head in for a while but this patch with the arcade style gong when you kill a ship, with the big X that covers the explosion and the constant voice yakking in the station now has more or less proven to me that there has been some kind of disconnect between the players of the game and the developers. There seemed to be some kind of respect happening for peoples choices when we could opt out of new maps and new cameras etc but now its just rammed down our throats.Forcing the new camera on so many pvp'ers who don't want it and have spent years developing their intuitive use of the tracking camera is another. I think ccp should spend time working out how to get more players to play this once wonderful game rather than finding more ways to alienate the current players. Its gets to a point where you dont 'feel' the game anymore. Like i said Ive just about had enough.

the problem is: it IS buddy list since last patch
no matter what you and others say it's CCP who decides......

Gong...

It is not so much that we hate this change, It does make life harder for us, but it is the right thing for the game. Free intel in the game, needs a solid justification, the old watch lists did not have this.

It is a good change for good solid reasons.

1) Are you out of your mind or something? Why do you keep forcing things onto players? Is this Incarna again?
For everyone having performance issues; bring up the OLD MAP and put it into system mode. That causes the least strain on your system.

2) Fine, I guess? Most of the time tiericide is "basically" doing a good job but those modules are not really that much up my interest-meter so I can't tell.

3) You're late. The flight academy videos have been in the game since last patch. They are still not really up to par to fix the issues with new player experience, and you still can't rewind them, and they still eat stupid amounts of system resources compared to letting HD youtube videos run in the background.

4) I'm torn on this one. Yes, free intel should be reduced. But I'd rather have ALL local chats put in "delay" mode than messing with the watchlist first. Because, you know, some people actually only engage in conversations with someone when they see them online, which only works when they are watchlisted. But I know, this is big-bad-eve-online, friends and buddies don't exist

The biggest problem with the Watchlist I see here, is how the train of thought has been done. It is set to "deny information by default and allow by uncommunicated, mutual exception." instead of "allow by request and deny at will." What do I mean by that:
If you want to watchlist someone, the other person should get a prompt that to see the watchlist request. They can either allow or deny it. And at any time, a person should be able to revoke the watchlist allowance through contact edit.

I could bring up a few lore points why removing the ability to watchlist someone freely is stupid.

But at the end of the day, you just did another bandaid fix without properly thinking it through. You are again ignoring consequences and proper, meaningful interactions.
I agree that not everyone should watchlist anyone just "because" even when they don't even had any interaction so far.
But I am all up for being able to one-sided watchlists after an engagement in pvp. Because then you have the "ID" so to speak.

However, all that is only ship-pvp related. Market pvp got a bit more "interesting" now, but without remedy.

But let me introduce something else, and again pointing out how you didn't think things through.
You have something against free intel? Okay! How about PAID INTEL? We can pay locator agents to see where someone is currently located. We should also be able to pay a fee to watchlist someone without mutual consent. For a day / week / month / year. We need more ISK sinks, and that would be a perfect opportunity to bring one.

Oh and, edit;
Make the "kill-gong-notification" optional and opted OUT by default. You are ridiculing your own game. Hard.

Hey,



my first intention for my first patch note post was to rant about CCP and the latest change regarding the watch list. But Nikos digging in protocols changed this completely. It makes the CSM totally pointless in my opinion, especially from Chance as a covert ops/WH pilot (I must admin that I dont know much about the other members...) I would have expected at least a comment, a doubt - but NO comment from NOBODY at all? What is this comitee for? Feeling important? Special? This change is absolutely rediculous, it really annoys in terms of war decs, opponent/victim management, WH security. The gong is ... strange, but I can deal with it - but this buddy list change is just useless.

I more and more get the impression, that changes are made just to have any changes and development within the game. No matter, how pointless they are, the length of chnage logs are what counts. Very sad.

Emp

About the Gong:

This is the thing, that baffles me the most. I seriously doubt, that whoever finally approved that sound, is actually playing the game anymore.


If i have to disable all options of a new feature, to make it usable, that might be a sign, that said new feature might not be ready for deployment.

Changing it to a "Buddy List" does not at all reflect how anyone uses it. The contact list isn't for friends, its for important business contacts and our enemies. Removing the online/offline function eliminates half the usefulness of the list. Its a watch list because we want to watch for people who might kill us.

If you're going to be making changes, could you at least fix the rorqual?

Free intel, what like who's in local? Shall we get rid of that too in all areas of space?

new patch undocked killed one rat gong still up u guys must really love that sound
docked up again goin to play facebook or som
#KILLGONG

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