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If the old camera is removed, that will be a heavy incentive to stop playing Eve for me.
It may sounds harsh and overreacting, but as long as you're not playing Eve to stay docked, and plan to fight, the new camera is just unpractical as f*ck, and useless.

As a fighting capsuleer, I don't care about cinematic effects. What I need is a simple, sober, effective camera I can use to position myself and assess my surroundings in the least disruptive way.
The new camera isn't providing any of that, automatically making it a huge failure for the kind of game that is Eve.

I'm sure it's a delight for people enjoying peaceful mining or shooting a promotional video for their corp.
It isn't for litterally everything and everyone else.

I'm all for innovation and modernisation, and that new camera has a lot of potential, but you simply don't remove something that exists, that people uses, and that is highly efficient and vital to the very core gameplay of Eve.
You just don't mess up so lightheartedly with something as vital as the camera.

People don't want tweaks to be the priority. They want the same exact camera behaviours we had for 13 years that proved successful.
There's litterally no f*cking reason to remove the old camera behaviour when you add more functionality. None.

It's not about nostalgia, it's not about habits made hard to change.
It's about sheer practicality.

What's coming now is worse by several orders of magnitude than the introduction of the mandatory Captain's Quarter -- that you were once forced to eventually make optional because just like that new camera, it was a huge loss of functionality rather than a gain.
If you really intend to force the adoption of that new camera without also keeping the old, simple and effective tool we had, I think you're up for a very bad time in the coming weeks/months.

Don't get me wrong, it's not that the new camera is bad, it's just that it doesn't do the job we expect from it.
I think most people, including myself, are glad you try out new things and deploy more functionalities.
The only thing they ask is to also preserve what they had before and that worked fine.

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No. As an industrialist that tends to live a lot in asteroid belts happily chewing on space rocks, this new camera is the absolute pits. The wandering drunken camera guy running that video lens makes it very difficult to know Where the trouble is incoming from, rather important to know. Makes lining up between yummy rocks an exercise in 'pontoon in a Great Lakes storm system' difficult. The whole 'motion of the ocean' as the image strays wherever is nausea inducing.

So if this was meant to be some great camera gift to miners and promo video capture individuals, don't think this is helping out the rock junkies anymore than it's 'helping' out the combat pilots who can no longer track me as I warp from their attempted gank. (part of the challenge! warp to one point, then switch and warp to another before their backup arrives! a game of cat and mouse just loaded the dice for the mice on the run)

Leave the old camera as an option CCP, while you tweak your little hearts out with the new one. Choices are always a plus for both sides.

>Jeven's Owner

Nope turned off as soon as I realised there was an option to turn it off flaming horrid stop wasting dev time on stuff like this and give the extra man power to things that actually need to be fixed or things that we defiantly dont want broken on launch (Like this horrid camera)

I just want to beat a dead horse here and say that you need to fix the tracking camera issue .. its pretty important that this gets resolved .. like imperative ! .. cant believe you even bothered to switch this to opt out ..just saying, somebody needs to be fired ... and i am usually a nice guy

the new features are neat tho, good job !


... btw i did opt opt see you in a month , ..or maybe not its that bad.

I absolutely do not like the new camera.
It seems that the people who came up with this new camera has never played EVE, did not participate in PvP or PvE battles or never undock from Jita IV - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Assembly Plant.

new camera cons:
- no automatic tracking camera what makes battles and d-scanning painful
- very often the ship flies off the screen or hidden behind the channels / scanner / overview windows
- ships and other objects appear more blurry when zooming
- stars and other far objects have motion blur when the camera is rotated and i hate motion blur

new camera pros:
- we can make an epic screenshot, where the planet looks like an egg or a football
http://i.imgur.com/lBvrwad.png

That was sarcasm. In fact I do not see any pros to use this new camera and i'm not willing to struggle with it.
Sometimes old code is much better than new one.

Oh. And when entering warp while you had the tracking camera active sometimes makes the camera misbehave.

Edit: Ok, just so I don't keep spamming with more short posts;

I had expected to be able to C+click on a locked target to lock the camera on that target. But I can't.

Tried this feature today stricly involuntarily. Overall I like it, except one glaring thing: The lack of auto-tracking ships and objects. That's when I immediately found a way to turn the feature off.

Holy crap, auto-tracking is sure a feature that is extremely good to have, and extremely frustrating to not have. Not even just for tracking ships, but for simple things like gaining focus on a wormhole or can you need to bookmark. Not being able to quickly find that object, wherever it is hiding in space... It's so frustrating I'm at loss for words. In fact I nearly found another game to play this morning because of it.

As for combat, without seeing where ships are going, it's nigh impossible to A) give pursuit or B) know where bigger enemy went to lay a trap, because you always have to make two extra actions for every new celestial you're chasing him, or trying to dodge your follower. So whichever one you choose, you'll just end up more frustrated, and possibly dead, if not completely bored because this effectively kills chasing.

Also it's nigh impossible to click on a ship in space this way, since it will be all over the place. You are then forced to use the overview. Not that using the overview is bad in itself, but forcing players to do it is just bad design. Again this leads to frustration. Entering combat while tracking the other ship now requires extra micro, which is sure to make the whole ordeal less fun.

tl;dr without auto-tracking, the game gets really frustrating because you can't know where anything is or is going in space anymore. Please give back auto-tracking. While I'm at it, give back tab too. It was such a great tool to quickly clean up the windows to do stuff like PI. Please stop fixing things that aren't broken!

I do not feel as strongly about auto-tracking vs. holding C and tracking. It is not terribly inefficient and prevents accidental tracks in the heat of the moment. However, not being able to track a warping entity is silly and makes it far to easy to escape.

Besides this there are other things that ought to be improved:
1. Tactical camera should have the option to change where the distance circles are centered on.
2. Tactical camera should have a way to better emphasize your ship given that you can easily pan away from it.
3. When your tracked object leaves grid, the camera control goes crazy and starts spinning around. It should just stop moving.
4. You should be able to select where your ships slides to when the camera positions it out of the way of the tracked target. Alternatively, have options to center both ships together or take into account the window layout as optimally as possible so that both ships remain visible.

Dunno if it was mentioned, but the new camera does not play nice with extreme FPS drops.
And when I say does not play nice it means you are better off logging out or trying to switch to the old camera, because controls get stuck and you are left with an eternally spinning camera (very fast spinning mind you, like a turn a second).

I tried to use the new camera on SiSi on mass tests, and each time it was the same - when FPS drops to singular digits, camera controls go out the window.