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I'm unable to think of a single use case where a delayed dscan is not factually worse than one that is instant. Wormholes relies on it being instant to not die, and if you actually need it in k-space by the time you get the intel it is already out of date.

In what way can't you pan while warping?

Seconded.

Thats a combined 20 years in-game experience and knowing Proxay by reputation he knows what he is on about.

In this case function far exceeds any supposed improvements in form.

While I hate real-world analogies in a space pixel game you should note that actual radar/sonar displays are generally quite clean interfaces with rather basic symbols and very sharp clear lines. This is so the operator (i.e. us EvE pilots) can quickly and intuitively interpret the data collected on each sweep.

Key words being quickly and intuitively.

As devs you guys KNOW that the percentage of folks capable of rapidly and accurately scanning/pinning targets in space is rather small. Even the largest alliances/corps in game have perhaps 2-3 pro scouts out of hundreds or thousands of pilots.

It is an art form....and an artist is only as good as the tools provided. These new tools make shiny pictures with no depth.

The best option would be....as suggested by others.....slip the date....get the new base camera/scanner/map working exactly as the current one works....THEN start adding the pretty gee whiz stuff with sliders or tick boxes to shut them off for those that prefer to work without eye candy.

Measure twice cut once. My lifetime engineering adage. It actually works.

Thanks

Bone

Please make dscan return results instantly as it did before!

In other words, rabble, rabble, rabble, rabble!

I think I like all the changes and additions, but the one thing you removed is a show-stopper for me. It seems very tedious and unnatural to have to hit C every time I select a new target to track that target. Ultimately I end up looking in some random direction and it really takes away from the experience. I know, I know, I'm really just looking at the overview window most of the time, but sometimes it's neat to see what you are shooting at.

I really really tried for 3 days on 2 toons, but now I've gone back to the old camera. I can't see using the new camera until you add this feature back in.

Cross post from one of the other threads (Because this is the first time in a long time that a change in EVE has made me consider leaving)



You still have half the movement speed on the vertical axis for camera movement. And it is still bad.

People that just use the camera to look at pretty things are going to be perfectly happy with it and won't even notice, but using it as a tool for D-Scanning and PVP just shows how horrible it is. And I've tried to get used to it.

A game with full 3 degrees of movement where the enemy is just as often above/below you, and uses a mouse for control, should NEVER have differing movement speeds on the axes. It makes the horizontal movement feel too fast, and the vertical movement feel too slow.

Stop taking tools and neutering them in the name of making it pretty and flashy. If you really want the effect in, then put two sliders for camera speed for the axes.

(I'm going to keep complaining and posting about this until something is done or I've heard something from a Dev on the matter. I'm actually scared that you're going to leave this in, because this would be a final straw that would make me seriously reconsider my subscriptions after 10 years playing this game)

Team Psycho Sisters. Sorry to be harsh but..

Each patch you add more UI. Instead maybe work on some stuff that your users can customize.. Maybe some of us don't wont or use many of your UI elements.. maybe come up with a system so we can turn some of it off.. A toggle system and user customizable colors/transparency for every UI element would be very welcome among the user base.

We understand you work hard and doing your best but I'm getting tired of my entire screen getting filled up with UI. Id like to be able to see the space and ships I'm flying / shooting at.

Recent UI Stuff Added that wasn't needed or asked for.

- Ship/Overview Icons - They are bigger and more obtrusive than before and cover all the pretty ships.
- New Camera - Orbit, strategic and first person now have there own buttons on the screen..
- New Camera - Extra button in the selected item window. So now it needs to be giant for the buttons to same size.
- New Camera - Extra button on radial menu makes bookmarking more tiresome.

Ask yourself what do my users want.

They want customization. Eve is too complicated to not have UI customization. If you add something you please one group but annoy another. eg new camera I bet movie makers love it... scouts and pvpers dont love it.

They want functionality before aesthetics. Aesthetics are great but don't remove functionality to achieve it.

I'd suggest logging a bug report in game, providing screen caps and providing the EBR here.

The camera option still need a lot of work and i hope we see constant changes until things are perfect. Currently the first person camera is a waste of time but it does have potential. We need to be able to drag the camera around for a start.

When are we going to get an updated tactical overlay and the picture-in-picture camera we saw at one fanfest (or was that just another broken promise)?

Excuse the poor video editing - it is not something I normally do.

I wanted to show the drastic difference between the old and new camera tracking.

The first clip is using the old camera, turning on tracking, and selecting objects on the overview. It is clean and clear movement.

https://youtu.be/WMG9tTd_Ej0


The second clip is using the new camera, [Shift] [C] to turn on tracking, and then selecting objects on the overview. The objects are not on the same horizon as in the first example, and I am zoomed in closer, which exaggerates the differences. That aside, I find it jarring and odd, with occasional stutters and seemingly different offsets on your ship.

https://youtu.be/CcqLxTa27QI


The third clip is an example of a bug. I am using the new camera tracking while viewing one of the citadel construction sites, not my ship. About mid way through the camera aligns to an object above and gets caught in a spinning loop until I select a new object. This has happened on occasion when viewing from my own ship, but I was never able to replicate it. The bug worked a number of times while looking at the new citadel so I grabbed a video. It is occasional bugs like that - plus the jumpy / stuttering / inconsistency in movement and offset etc which leave the new camera just feeling wrong to me.

https://youtu.be/mnsIjXpidLw


Edit.. I forgot to say - good to see the [SHIFT][C] tracking toggle added, along with a tool tip telling you it is there. The [V] [click] D-Scan option, once the delayed display is removed and when I get used to it, should also function ok.