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yup

Terrible planning.

dont actually care but bad PR guys

CCP_Just Got Sh1tt3r

Or possibly it's because Carriers are considered T1 ships, not T2 ships and T1 ships have racial lines, and T2 ships require those same racial lines to V per race and then an additional skill on top.
Really, you are just having an entitlement whine at this point.

And Malcanis, you are being a two year old. This doesn't take effect for three months or longer, of course there was going to be an Aur sale between now and then, and timing it with the new release of a new aur item is common business practice, or are CCP not allowed to use basic common business techniques to make any profit at all?

There comes a point of scaling.

This might follow the principles of mining frigates (and I agree there, there is precedent) but that was like 5k isk and a rank 1 skill .

That is not the same on a relative scale as 2 billion layout, a 14x skill and losing half of what one can do today overnight.


I mean, be honest, if they added a new skill required for each ships to be flown: 14x, at 500m a book you'd be utterly furious. Let's call it "$RACE flight authorization skills" and without it, you don't get to do tomorrow what you can do today. Are you seriously telling me you'd be ok with that?

So, are you surprised the carrier guys are more than a little pissed? Because I'm not.


There is a difference between blindly following precedent and doing the decent thing. A more recent example of that would be when the starting skills were altered but newbros caught in the middle got a free SP drop. I don't recall anyone crying about that, but this is ok right? Because it's older guys getting the shaft?

It is a very disappointing move from CCP, very disappointing indeed.


And as I say, I expect to see a humping on fighter skills too.

So, it is actually a bad solution.
Personally I believe we should get all relevant SP refunded and simply allocate them into something and make a commitment.

Alternatively, Just take each persons Tactical Logi Recon skill level and convert it into the FAX level.
The module shall have the effects based on the FAX level. Or the module has no effect modifier and the hull gets the effect modifiers, based on FAX levels. Similar to Marauders.
You PAY to fly your ships in eve. It takes you time to train and a fully maxed Carrier + Triage costs beyond the 100 USD mark just in training time. I believe it isn't asking for much, instead of this convoluted solution we're being offered now.

Furthermore, with the current solution, should some of my toons switch to FAX, what about Fighter skills? They use to be able to aid a Triage in defense, and won't be able to be used in a FAX at all. Shall we just stare at those SP?
Inversely, what about all the RR skills and Triage SP, should we chose not to inject FAX?

I hope CCP reads this post, as I honestly the above listed alternative for the transition to be viable.
Go ahead and like the post, Thx.

What vestigial skills?
You can't use fighters while in triage, so if you trained fighters you trained to fly a combat carrier as well as triage.
And no, your example was directly 'you will need this new skill to fly the same hull you needed to before'.
You are the one dancing around here trying to find an opening.

And they didn't split the industrial hulls, All those hulls already existed. This is exactly what I am talking about, people are presenting false information and then using it to justify their outrage.

I am so pissed.
Best solution for me: Get all of these Skills to zero and have the chance to allocate them where I want them to have.
But I think CCP won't reply on this thread anymore.

Monetization people will not allow to give capital skills to people who already had them.
They can pull at least 9 extra subscriptions for each capital character that need to be retrained.
No one cares about newbros this is only dictated by $.
Nonsense is that you need to buy FAX skill to choose if you want to have Combat Carrier of Fax of this race.

Why i simply cannot choose :
Amarr -> Fax
Caldari -> Fax
Gallente -> DPS
Minmatar (lol i know) -> no i don't know dps maybe.

Confirming drone interfacing is useful to my dedicated logi/triage pilot. Jesus.

I get it, you're of the **** the old guys generation. Enjoy your game.

Confirming missile skills were useful to a dedicated Naglfar pilot.
CCP have changed ship roles many a time in the past which left a 'dedicated' pilot of just that ship with skills that were no longer applicable to that ship.
That however is not CCP's problem in overall game design but yours in insisting that the only ship you can and will ever fly is that particular ship.