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There's no monthly payout or anything. Carrier pilots are like everyone else, some are poor and some are rich, just with more time and isk invested in skills.

People wet themselves and think "zomg capital! must be expensive! you must be rich!"

However given I can pick up a thanatos for about 90m more than a paladin......the reality is slightly different.

Converting a universal skill like tacticl logistics into racial fax confuses me and will still involve giving sp away to those with more than 1 carrier skill trained since one lower level skill will have to be converted to up to 4 racial FAX skills.

Far simpler way would be renaming 'racial carrier' to 'racial capital support' and bring the redesigned carriers and new FAX machines under that class.

Sure this doesnt allow for the FAX being a different class as per the design goal. But taking roles from a single class and making it 2 classes was a ****** design goal anyway. Would have worked fine on a clean slate, but not after thousands of characters have invested time in that role.

So i would suggest 3 capital classes going forward;

Racial 'dreadnought' to cover current and future high dps roles.
Racial 'capital support' to cover logistics/specialised light and medium dps and other future fleet suport roles.
Racial 'titan' to cover current and future ships at the end game of capabilities.

Let each ships performance be based on its support sklls.

Dreadnough based on tactocal wepon recon. New support skills can come with new features in the class.

Capital support based on tactical logistic recon and other module skills for the FAXs. Drone and fighter skills for the redesigned carriers. New drone roles and feature could be supported with new skills. I dont know enough about squadron types to know if or how many types can justify a new skill. I would suggest not asking people to train a new skill for any dps squadron roles though.

Titan based on the titan skill and other support skills like jump portal/doomsday. If you add new fetures to the class feel free to add new skills to support them.

TL;DR
Only add new skills for new fetures that suppliment the game, not replace old ones, and people wont feel so cheated.


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Oh and convert command destroyers into T2 batttleships.

All the caps including the fax are T1 so follow racial limitations. Only T2 skills cross all races but even those require a racial skill to 5 in order to fly a ship.

All the more reason to keep the redesigned carriers and the fax in the same class. Just like the bantam and merlin are the same class. And the moa and osprey are the same class.

So basically, to fix ccps terrible idea where people would have to train a new skill to retain their current apabilities, you suggest that people should have to train a new skill to retain their current capabilities?

Im sure your argument will go something like 'yeah but you can at least fly it'. To which i will retort with 'ok but its like having carrier 5 taken away and replaced with carrier 1'.

No new features, no new skills.

Reading through all this I come to one conclusion

CCP fracked up like they did when reporting the new navy wear ships.
CCP provides 1/2 the information players need to make proper judgment.

What happens?
CCP has big picture and they love what they see
Players have half the picture or less and all they see is a donkey (aka a jack ass).
So much of what CCP wants feedback on is worthless due to their (IMO) **** poor execution on putting things in a proper order.
If they had give us the hard stats for carriers and the FAX - we as players can provide better feed back.

CCP so needs to higher a PR person who the Devs would go to first so that guy can be like - so you want to provide information about a planned project that players have only tin foiled hatted upon - and all the information you are going to give them = about 10% of what the need to know. These players will eat you for breakfast and shat you out by dinner time.

I have made similar post in response to CCP's road map as well as 6 week patch program... Seems I have once again been ignored. Guess as I don't have a degree in PR and only like 8 years in customer service I know nothing when it comes to presentation.
Don't get me wrong CCP people, I love you all, there are just times I wonder if any of you taken class public speaking or public relations.

Another analogy is this: you all gave us a million piece puzzle and took out all the edge pieces.

For those that seem to have missed it. CCP are rethinking how they are going to impliment the FAX with regard to skills.

This is specious.

During the rebalance they could just as easily kept existing carriers as a sole-RR role and have the new ship be the combat-only variation, shifting all current carriers into the RR column on that ship matrix thing and having a new empty space below supercarriers. In which case you'd have ratters in this thread complaining they have to train again to go back to their havens but, heh.

It's just their existing model's arbitrary place and naming convention that led to this decision. Which in fact is probably the more painful on the players since new-carriers are "optional" or just "nice to haves" in a fleet so theoretically everyone in the game could forget about retraining them if they so chose, whereas triage is absolutely mandatory to have to field cap/supers now. Also if we're being honest the new fighter minigame thing isn't inspiring that much hype in people so it would probably provoke much less rage as well.

They changed the ship and you had perfect skills for the ships new capabilities. They didnt introduce a level 14 'gallente mothership' skill. Theres a difference between a re-balance and a redesign which leaves the roles intact but people who have trained for those roles previously, unable to fill them due to a completely unnecessary set of new skills.

Why didnt they just make it a non racial skill like Marauder or other t2 ships. That makes sense.

Wait...this IS ccp we are talking about. Never mind.