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Meh... listening means nothing if you're still forcing them to bend over and take it.

The proof will be in the pudding.

As it stands now, it's a cash grab that Id wager came from one of those fancy new EA castoffs on the payroll.

GG CCP.

With each crappy new iteration and cash grab I get closer and closer to the end.

The last xpac that was worth a spit was Crucible, it's been all downhill since. And thats a looooong time.

The simple fact of the matter is that capital ships desperately needed to be updated. It has been a long time and the changes seem to be for the positive. IE carriers now being like a true carrier and not a logi ship OR a fighter ship. A dedicated logistics capital. Dreadnoughts being used for actions other than popping structures or Sleepers. People using capital ships as a whole more and more capital specific modules.

I have multiple capital ships skills to V on two different characters and over 160m sp on my main. CCP does NOT need to be handing out 12m free sp to me (or whatever the math adds up to) or any other capsuleer with 7 years of consistent training under their belt. That will just further push the bar towards the high sp characters or worse give them free ISK in the form of selling sp. It'll be an even bigger barrier of entry for new talent to play the game. Does everyone want a new players first experience in the game, buying one off the character bazaar?

Nothing wrong with the changes announced other than the timing. They should have given us much more warning on what to train than what appears to be 2 months. That is my only real gripe. Also a free remap would be in order. IMO they should even split the carrier and super carrier into 2 different skills.

"Thats the way its always been" is not a proper way to update a 13 year old game. Citadels and capital changes are a much needed upgrade and giving away a bunch of free SP and skill books is nothing but detrimental to the game. Releasing it at the same time as skill extractors was such a bad idea that a marketing/PR person needs to be fired. It's making a much needed upgrade appear like a money grab.

o7

I just don't know which FAX racial skill to train as I do not know what the ship stats will be. So I think I will hold off.

Can your devblog PLEASE just be a link to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIxkLHYteeU

Why does CCP implementing a punitive plan represent a more desirable solution than one that doesnt set many people back a full year of training?

Take your time, i doubt you have ever reflected on these deep aspects of your personality. Whatever conclusions you draw would be better directed at a trained professional btw.

I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with you on this... one word.

Battlecruisers.

Nuff said.

Would you be equally satisfied if they gave your Chimera the same properties as an Ibis, but still kept the look and feel of a Chimera?

yeah, since 2014 till that, no one tuches nothing, but our hero fozzie did everything well to give us frigate online yay

because capital warfare is exactly the thing where you can implement these changes.

you can train a capital ship from 0 to lvl 4 less than 2-3 days like you would to with a logistic ship ehh?

and i wonder whats going to happen when the new fax ships get into the game, and now we wait till the first ones get build so we can rep our towers, dreads, titants etc etc

alts in training are less of a concern. It's happened before, capital skill changes, destroyer/battlecruiser, etc. The intent of copying the skills over is to to keep people already flying these things, in the ship, not to get those who arent even in the ship yet, into it faster.

The point trying to be made here, which CCP seems to get, but try herds like you fail to see, is simple. CCP is not just modifying the carrier line, but giving them a complete overhaul. Not only will they not have logistics, they also are completely changing the combat side of the hull. Then on top of massively changing the very nature of the hulls, they are also significantly reducing resists and raw he. So at the end 9f this, we will see the same hulls, with the same names, but these will be nothing like the hulls we choose to train for.

The introduction of the Ore frig was simular, yes, but doesn't come close to compare to the effort and investment all carrier pilots have made, and with the previously offered idea, it left carrier pilots massively shafted, without any idea if the extra cost and training was worth it, as we still have no stats for the old/new hulls post change.