Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP has done a wonders trying to keep this complex ever changing game mechanics in balance over the years. There are two items that I (and others) see as out of balanced and are being abused by some.

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1st - I know the act of bumping is not a reason an exploit, however the people who do the bumping can and often do (in High sec) bump someone for 30-60 minutes or more!! Holding them hostage with the police in clear site with no repercussion. Even having a webber does not mean they will be able to get away prior, once the bumping has started, there is very little anyone can do to help. This can be done at many neighboring system gates all at the same time. Waiting indefinitely for a gank fleet, or just holding hostage and harassing a user.

Solutions... there have been a number in posts in the forums and Redit that have solutions to this problem. This includes an "emergency macro jump drive" concept, or after so much shield to shield contact to a freighter at a gate/asteroid belt/station, it would cause concord to give a temporary "strong inertia damping shield" around the 2 ships preventing them from having any effects of bumping for a time. I just recently thought of this solution. Or perhaps there is a low slot for an Inertia damping module, that when activated, will reduce the effects of a bump. Again, there can be a activation timer to delay the start of the damping field (to give a limited time window for gankers). These are just some options, a bigger conversation needs to happen to bring a BALANCE (Important word).

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2nd - Looting. When the gankers did get a target they would have to have a freighter loot it if it was of value. They timed things down to get away before people could lock them. This was fair. Now, when they gank, when the target pops, the criminal catalysts start to loot and eject the loot before Concord can pop them. Their hauler comes in scoops the ejected loot and flys away not Flashy Yellow.

Solution - A Criminal can't loot a ship
Or
Solution2 - Then if they eject the loot, since they were under a suspect timer, it is yellow loot to everyone as well (while unable to access another ships cargohold).

If they want it... they have to risk it, Risk the same thing they did to the freighter before. Can one ship survive the attack of many? Is it worth it? How much loot dropped. Etc..

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I am not against the mechanic of ganking, it is part of the charm and danger of Eve. It just needs to be balanced so that the gankers who are all -10 to start with, (and flying cheap ships) risk very little, for a large reward.

Speaking of -10, One last question to ponder: How is a -10 any different then say a -7? Really they are not any different. Can measures be put into place that makes things harder for the "hardened criminal"? Aggressive Concord? Random Special Anti-Criminal patrols that can respond quicker then concord? Unable to dock at all?

I am not saying my ideas are the ones to go with (though the inertia shield / module is a good concept I think! :) ) I just think this needs a hard look from both sides of the field here along with CCP to really make the game balanced.

Thanks!

KT

Safe logoff gets you away from the bumper if nobody's taking a shot at you, because there's no combat timer. That said, you're not allowed to just bump someone without taking a shot at them, or a ransom demand.

RIght, but the gankers do shoot them... they send in a sacrifice ship to agress. Then the freighter warps, and then they scan them down.... then they gank.

Logging off is not any help now days.

Maybe an extra low slot on freighters and give them a module that negates the bump effect up to anything smaller than a carrier. . You know most of them are going to use that slot for more expanders. So its a fair trade off. You can either make your ship less vulnerable to ganking and bumping or you can makes yourself a bigger target. Maximum profits/ lower overhead comes at a higher risk. Everyone wins. Those bothered by bumping can remove the issue and those trying to get maximum amount of goodies just became bigger targets.

If you lose your freighter because you got ganked then should of used bulkheads instead of expanders

Personally i think damage controls should be allowed on freighters

The bulkheads are suppose to make it harder to be ganked...IE: need more gankers to kill the target in the same amount of time. But honestly ganking highsec freighters should not be a profitable job.

And why would i not be targeted in highsec based on my alliance?

You think Goonswarm, which typically has at least half a dozen wardecs against them, is given some sort of leeway in high sec?

One of the more tedious parts about these arguments is the endless non sequiturs. The assertion had nothing to do with their efficacy in executing ganks.

The assertion was that Goonswarm would not BE ganked. Goonswarm has lost a couple JFs in high sec in the past 7 days, making the assertion demonstrably false. That doesn't even account for the sane ones who had the good sense to at least use NPC corp freighter pilots.



That's a really cool story that completely ignores that, on average, GS does, in fact, get completely **** on in HS wars.

You can't safe log if you are being targetted, so the bumping ship only needs to yellow box to prevent a safe log. No shooting necessary.

However shooting from a sacrifice ship achieves a 15min aggression timer which keeps the freighter in space even if the pilot just logs off.


I see the 30-60 min figure used a lot, but from watching the gank intel channel when my alt is hauling in highsec, I never see it going for that long.

It always seems to be much shorter then that, but that's only my experience.

How often does the 30-60 minutes really happen?

yes you are.

where did you read this?

Fly a jump freighter and just jump out if you get bumped.

Bumping is balanced and perfectly counter-able.

Also please use search function next time, this thread is redundant repost.