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The 473,344,000 SP club.

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Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-01-18 19:50:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Moonlit Raid
In anticipation of the upcoming ability to buy and sell skillpoints I thought I'd get this one in here.

I don't pretend I'll ever qualify.

Honourable mention:-
Quote:

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#2 - 2016-01-18 23:17:03 UTC
Moonlit Raid wrote:
In anticipation of the upcoming ability to buy and sell skillpoints I thought I'd get this one in here.

I don't pretend I'll ever qualify.



If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex, NO ONE WILL, as it will cost several trillion isk to buy enough sp to max out a single character.

The only people who will benefit from This is CCP in increased Plex / Aurum sales from those deluded enough to think they can gain an advantage by buying SP.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2016-01-19 05:48:08 UTC
Amateratsu wrote:
If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex.
Source for this expectation?
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#4 - 2016-01-19 10:18:54 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Amateratsu wrote:
If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex.
Source for this expectation?


It was suggested in the previous Dev Blog that the extractor would be analogous to the plex service fee in the character bazarr.
And in a lot of the feedback to that Dev Blog.

Regardless, for someone >80 mil SP it will require 7 extractors / injectors per 1m SP, so taking myself as an example. I would need a further 250 million Sp = 1,750 extractors / injectors which will likely not be cheaper than 1 bil isk each.

Thinking about it, there are probably 100's of players with more money than sense who will gladly max out their characters, be it Aurum, Plex, ISK or real life money.

As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless.

Either way, I'm done.
SurrenderMonkey
The Exchange Collective
Solyaris Chtonium
#5 - 2016-01-19 18:04:39 UTC
Amateratsu wrote:

As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless.

Either way, I'm done.


Implying that Eve Board is deeply important and full of meaning right now.

No offense to Chribba, of course - Eveboard is great, and occasionally fun to browse for the sake of curiosity, but "meaningful"? Roll

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/

RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2016-01-19 18:49:22 UTC
Yes, meaningful.

It is every bit as meaningful as
Evemon
Kill boards
Skill planners
Character profiles
Ship skins
etc.
etc.

The only place where global rankings are tracked at this time.
The best place to compare your characters progress against other players.
For people who incorporate the site as part of their gaming time, super meaningful.
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#7 - 2016-01-19 19:04:36 UTC
Amateratsu wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Amateratsu wrote:
If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex.
Source for this expectation?


It was suggested in the previous Dev Blog that the extractor would be analogous to the plex service fee in the character bazarr.
And in a lot of the feedback to that Dev Blog.

Regardless, for someone >80 mil SP it will require 7 extractors / injectors per 1m SP, so taking myself as an example. I would need a further 250 million Sp = 1,750 extractors / injectors which will likely not be cheaper than 1 bil isk each.

Thinking about it, there are probably 100's of players with more money than sense who will gladly max out their characters, be it Aurum, Plex, ISK or real life money.

As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless.

Either way, I'm done.


I don't think I'd make any use of the feature if the price is even close to that of a PLEX. Equivalent to 100 mil or so maybe. Much more than that I'd be wondering why I didn't just buy the faction module rather than the sp.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2016-01-19 21:26:32 UTC
Amateratsu wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Amateratsu wrote:
If the base price for the Extractor is = to 1 plex.
Source for this expectation?


It was suggested in the previous Dev Blog that the extractor would be analogous to the plex service fee in the character bazarr.
And in a lot of the feedback to that Dev Blog.

Regardless, for someone >80 mil SP it will require 7 extractors / injectors per 1m SP, so taking myself as an example. I would need a further 250 million Sp = 1,750 extractors / injectors which will likely not be cheaper than 1 bil isk each.

Thinking about it, there are probably 100's of players with more money than sense who will gladly max out their characters, be it Aurum, Plex, ISK or real life money.

As soon as that happens, sites like Eve Board will be meaningless.

Either way, I'm done.
Maybe I don't know what the word 'analogous' means after all, because I read that and got nothing near the interpretation "extractors will cost 1 PLEX."
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2016-01-20 18:00:35 UTC
Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus.
Cixi
#10 - 2016-01-20 18:42:21 UTC
The price for extractor will be either (in AUR equivalent)

2 PLEX - Unlikely
1 PLEX - Unlikely
0.75 PLEX Possible but I hope it wont be that price
0.5 PLEX - The most probable outcome
0.25 PLEX - Possible but CCP would make a poor financial decision doing so
0.20 PLEX - Unlikely

The price of SP will be an added 1/4 of a PLEX so 0.25 PLEX

So the price of injectors will be between 0.75 and 1 plex

if you already have 80 mil SP, you need 2467 Injector ot get the rest, so between 1850 and 2467 PLEX, which is a lot but not really impossible

Shaleen
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2016-01-21 10:14:06 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus.


Lol exactly my thought . Very sad

It put the lotion on the skin or else it get a hose again

Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#12 - 2016-01-27 18:07:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Caymus
Shaleen wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus.


Lol exactly my thought . Very sad

Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet!
Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
#13 - 2016-01-27 19:41:33 UTC
Dr Caymus wrote:
Shaleen wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus.


Lol exactly my thought . Very sad

Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet!


Yeah, I'm sure CCP will be willing to give you the Black Market Trading Skill for the right price, since their only interest in the game these days is finding more ways to milk its player base for more $$$$.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#14 - 2016-01-28 19:07:19 UTC
I wouldn't put it past someone like Markee Dragon.

[Boy, he's come a long way since rares trading in Ultima Online.]
The Larold
This is an anagram of itself.
#15 - 2016-01-28 21:55:51 UTC
I need some folks to clue me in. Isn't this supposed to be a normal item in the market, and hence the price will be guided by player-driven market forces? Or is this going to be an AUR type of thing, which changes expectations?

The way I see it, there's no point in trying to predict price of injectors - as it's all based on supply-demand. And I also need help understanding why the guesses everyone is making are relative to plex?

I'm not being snippy; I'm just clueless, and yet fascinated, by this whole what-will-injectors-and-SP-cost speculation.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2016-01-29 00:11:51 UTC
The Larold wrote:
I need some folks to clue me in. Isn't this supposed to be a normal item in the market, and hence the price will be guided by player-driven market forces? Or is this going to be an AUR type of thing, which changes expectations?

Both.

Skill Injector: ISK (market traded item)
Skill Extractor: AUR (NES item)

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/skill-trading-in-new-eden/
LordOdysseus
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#17 - 2016-01-29 02:22:33 UTC  |  Edited by: LordOdysseus
Tau Cabalander wrote:
I wouldn't put it past someone like Markee Dragon.

[Boy, he's come a long way since rares trading in Ultima Online.]


Who hasn't played Ultima Online?The first MMO. Big smile

EDIT: Oh the memories.....KAL VAS FLAM!
Bibosikus
Aliastra
#18 - 2016-01-31 21:11:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
The Larold wrote:
I need some folks to clue me in. Isn't this supposed to be a normal item in the market, and hence the price will be guided by player-driven market forces? Or is this going to be an AUR type of thing, which changes expectations?

The way I see it, there's no point in trying to predict price of injectors - as it's all based on supply-demand. And I also need help understanding why the guesses everyone is making are relative to plex?

I'm not being snippy; I'm just clueless, and yet fascinated, by this whole what-will-injectors-and-SP-cost speculation.


I too find this concept fascinating, having only learned of it today (been on a hiatus) and read up for an hour or so in the gloriously indignant threads that have sprung into being.

The fixed fee in Aurum to buy an Extractor makes sense, however much that may be; CCP want to boost activity on the NES I'm sure. But also, a new drilled-down market on a previously untapped resource needs a solid financial base. Finding Extractors in Data Sites would break a few things, I'd imagine..

After that, all is market-driven, and in keeping with CCP's philosophy of Let Them Fling Sand. As we no doubt will. And, as with every other newly-introduced resource, the Haves and Have Nots will profit & loss greatly for a few weeks then gradually find an equilibrium.

From a personal perspective, I have me and two other characters with "80m+" skill points and I might investigate streamlining them. But given the fact that any Injector - whatever the cost - will only be worth 2.3 days' training time (at 2700/hour), I doubt I'll be bothering. Null players not using Skill implants though.. I could imagine a hefty market there!

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.

Shaleen
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2016-02-12 08:41:35 UTC
Dr Caymus wrote:
Shaleen wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus.


Lol exactly my thought . Very sad

Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet!


You better be ready to pay that price because you are no longer NR 1 , which is super sad in my opinion....

It put the lotion on the skin or else it get a hose again

Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc
Agents of Fortune
#20 - 2016-02-12 17:14:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Dr Caymus
Shaleen wrote:
Dr Caymus wrote:
Shaleen wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Thus ended the reign of Dr Caymus.


Lol exactly my thought . Very sad

Not necessarily... for somewhere in the neighborhood of, what, $30,000?, I could simply buy the rest of the skillpoints. I'd also have to negotiate a reasonable price to purchase the Black Market Trade skill, to ensure that no one with said skill topped me with the same investment. So don't count me out yet!


You better be ready to pay that price because you are no longer NR 1 , which is super sad in my opinion....

My original comment was made, of course, tongue-in-cheek, but the estimate ended up being high. The actual cost would be closer to $10,000 based on actual Skill Extractor pricing.

In reality, I have the means to get there with current in-game assets, but I'd have a hell of a lot of liquidating of various investments to get it done. The real question is: is it really worth that much ISK?
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