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Has anyone done the math on how long will a new pilot take to train his SP's to 5.5m?

Basically the new players will have to train for 5-6 months before they can start buying/injecting skills.

So, is it really for the new players? Not so much as CCP's pocket.

I just read that part over again, I guess I need to train up my skimming skills.

I stand by my greedy CCP comment though.

This was never meant to be great for newbies just entering the game. This is still good for "newbies" who are maybe 8-10 months old, who can boost themselves over some SP hurdle with the ISK they've farmed.

Will this be abusable? While most scenarios people are crying about is not really an abuse or even something the abuser would profit from, it is still possible that the feature could be abused. But I'm sure CCP will monitor for exploits like any other exploit out there.

The facts are, that it is still much MUCH cheaper to buy a character off the bazaar. As well as, the free market should, in theory, counteract attempts on buying out SP on the market. Hopefully, this change will make people realize how pointless a metric for "power" SP actually are. If someone have subbed their account for 6 months longer than someone else, does that make them automatically better than the lower subbed player? And let's assume this actually was the case, is it fair to make characters more powerful, just based on the time they've subscribed? Isn't that basically P2W too?

SP is just a means to an end, but it doesn't tell you how good someone is at the game. More SP on your character does not mean you've "won" EvE more than someone else. It just means you can do more stuff. I supported this change from the start and personally I think it's great to see a method of accelerating the SP training, so people can be out in space doing more stuff. Compared to sitting in station or being offline, waiting for those skills to finish.

In terms of raw isk it's "affordable," in terms of estimated cost for effect it's not. Estimates are looking towards 1B isk for 1 mill SP. At alliance levels the costs are unable to be reconciled with the alliance level gains. At personal levels, between diminishing returns and cost, there is no actual point of triviality since prices for use approach 1B isk for 300k SP.

If you count it as a benefit that the entrenched can afford them as a commodity while having a further penalty on the already abysmal return then there's no avoiding Malcani's law with or without this since anything for isk will be able to be leveraged more by them.

But that distinction is pretty meaningless don't you think?

I was such a huge supporter for these. Now prices are out and I was completely wrong. Seriously F**k you CCP for lying to us saying these are for newbros which by the pricing it's clearly all to line your pockets. Seriously considering unsubbing my four accounts for you re-tarded marketing schemes and blatant bs.

i never once supported this or opposed it have said so many times nice try tho, and its not a side or belief when its simple logic backed by solid evidence of the game itself. this game has proven time and time again that SP dont matter when you dont know what your doing. the only time it really mattered was when the game first came out and no one had experience or skill at the game yet. no matter how you look at it this isnt any more pay to win then buying a character on the bazaar which also is not pay to win. you save time nothing more specially since you cant win eve like some one mentioned before the closest you can come to winning at eve is figureing out how to make so much isk chribba gets jealous, and all you really won is the ability to afford to try everything in eve and get bored faster. i mean there are people who posted videos of low sp mining alt's in a hulk taking out cruisers who can flip them.

as mentioned many times i do not support or oppose this system i just enjoy educated people on the facts they cant seem to comprehend. tbh they should allow the skill extractors at the cost of 1 bill isk worth of aurm let u remove 1 entire skill with it (fully remove as in not in your head at 0 even) but lose that sp for ever be nice for those of us who regret a few skills in the past lol.

one question since some one always finds a way to abuse stuff in this game.

Will the injectors account for allocated SP when doing the calculation for how much to add to their pool?
if not then people can just inject tons of injectors at 500 k then apply the sp later hope this wont be the case.

they are more affordable (and more useful) for vets no matter what price they are

People saying this "isn't for new people" because it's prohibitively expensive .. seriously, you think people can't afford 10-20 bucks to spend on a game in a month? Have you guys even seen any of the other online games out there and the amount of money people in general are quite happy to spend on a game they enjoy?

This system isn't intended for a "new person" to instantly buy themselves to 20 million skillpoints, 40million, etc., that would be very expensive, yes. It's intended for someone to have paid their sub and then think "I could buy a skill injector or two to help myself out this month with my spare cash" and they go and buy a plex, and get a couple injectors for it. It's not that expensive. If you guys think only rich people can spend ten bucks on a bit of 'get ahead' in an online game and are calling CCP names or bitching at them over it then you need to look out at the world a little.

I get it, no matter what price CCP chose you'd whine about it, I know, because "hur dur the EVE is falling, the EVE is falling!" but out here in the real world CCP have priced this very affordably.

No, they didn't "lie to us" - it's priced cheap enough regardless of the subscription model or not. Subscription+plex is more than affordable and something many people already do for isk. There's nothing about a 999aurum extractor that's beyond some newbies budget. Face it, you wanted to hate this no matter what price they used.