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Missread the first time, yes totally, skills doesn't matter much for trading.

Tell me in what situation a d0 newbro would fight against a T3 destroyer ? lets say he went into low sec, well then people who bought skill points will be the least of his worries

Or maybe we're not giving new players enough credit here. Some would paint them as an inferior breed of human, unable to grasp the concept of player skill vs SP, as if they've never been in a competitive gaming landscape, and further have no grasp of what the are buying yet gladly do so anyways, or worse, after getting that first injector and being forced to confront the skill system just to use it, still not understand the fundamental concepts of what skills do and think they could buy their way to winning.

Every isk that makes it into a PLEX seller's wallet was earned in game by someone. Those collective someones had enough disposable isk to sustain PLEX at near 1.2B. That's a considerable amount of isk floating out there with trillions more flooding into the game. There is no reason for the vast and growing majority of the player base to actually need to use a CC for this feature.

With the exception of the very new, who really have no use for the feature until they understand what they are buying and prior to that likely won't be wanting to spend real money on it, the people who will be buying PLEX for this will be doing it for the same reason people buy PLEX now, because they can't be bothered to earn it.

There is no insidious trick or master plan on CCP's part. It works the same way PLEX has since inception, by letting the game determine the value according to players actual ability to earn isk and desire to spend it on them.

It should be noted that making you personally feel bad and breaking the game are not the same thing. Every attempt to explain how the game would break just circles back to how you feel about it, making it at best just the story of one failed player adaptation rather than a broken game.

You're claim of the game breaking has no credibility because the most you can put behind it is the fact that you just don't like it. You're not even considering the game at large, so it's pretty dishonest to keep parroting how it's going to fail don't you think?

Tosh. It is exactly because the availability of SP is not set - but rather arbitrarily flexible - that the market will eventually balance around the "production price". SP production is limited ultimately only by how fast one can work through the various steps needed to "milk" an alt. A single individual can probably manage a SP farm with a hundred alts though, since maintenance is relatively low. There is simply no way that the demand side can "win" this particular game. No finite pocket is deep enough to buy up production that can be accelerated near arbitrarily.

Unfortunately, I expect that the power blocks will become net producers of SP, running their own giant SP farms (in part to service their members). And their main effect on the market will be that poor individuals like me will not run SP farms because the big guys will keep the profit margins low.

Still, given the ease of production, we can be confident that there never will be a major dearth of injectors for longer than a few months. if the main producers try to play market games, others can easily step up to fill the gaps. There may be an initial glut as "unwanted" SP is dumped on the market though.

I'll take the bait ship on this one. Prove that what I typed is nonsense (especially what's been underlined to stand out) and not what's going to happen. Either way, I don't have a great luv for the taste of cherry Kool-Ade and I won't be buying, selling, or using the SP extractors. That would be me supporting this specific insanity and nooooo, not going to happen.

>Jeven

I think there's a lot of overreaction to this.
Let's not forget that what the new players will have to buy from CCP is PLEX to sell and buy the injectors that other players put in market, not extractors, or anything else. What we might see is overflow of PLEX in market.
In average, without +5's and full remaps, let's say you can train 1.5mill SP per month, that's 3 injectors; those who are willing to sell their SP will have to buy the extractors and set a price, can't be much lower than 500mill ISK per injector to cover the cost of 1.2 bill of the month PLEX and the extractor itself. Now lets see how much is this:

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Very very very unlikely scenario #1:
Timmy is new to EVE, he gets in the game and sees he can't fly big stuff; but what Timmy has, is a very rich Daddy; so Timmy sets himself to buy SP to get himself a shinny 200mill SP Toon; to reach that, Timmy has to buy 1023 Injectors from market (if he can even find that many)(and yes, i did the math to get to this number quite exactly). At 500mill each, Timmy needs 511 Bill isk, so Timmy needs to buy 500 PLEX from CCP at 20bucks, so he flungs the $10,000 to get them, + probably another $2-3000 to be able to buy the big ships. Now Timmy buys his Titan and gets out; he loses it..Timmy has learned now, alone he can't do anything, so he buys himself another 2-3 $12,000 Toons. And sets out with his 4 titans and probably still loses them.
---Timmy's Dad: Hey Timmy, i see here in the account you charged $46,000 to the card, did you bought a new sports car??
---Timmy: No Daddy, i bought a lot of skillpoints for an Online game to be the most badass there.
---Dad: .....?....
---Timmy: What's wrong Daddy?
---Dad: I'm just now 100% sure your mother cheated on me, cause there's NO WAY someone this stupid came out from me.

Will Timmy and his 4 toons really ruin the whole game??? NO, just simply he won't. Not to mention he probably get bored in a few months and quit.

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Very unlikely scenario #2:
100 New Players decide to buy 100mill sp for their Toons. They are gonna need 360 injectors each, so 180bill, 180 PLEX, so they chunk their $3,600 + $400 to get ships and mods.
Are they gonna ruin the game? No. Can they have an impact? Probably if they all team together may do somehting.

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Most Likely Scenario # 1:
Couple thousand players will spend $100-$200 bucks in a few PLEX, buy some SP to fly a little bigger ships earlier in the game and don't get so frustrated.
Are they gonna ruin the game?

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Now, i'm not saying i love this idea in it's current format, would like to see some changes to it still, but I just don't see the real Pay2Win thing everybody else seems to do, specially as the most likely scenario is just buying a few of the Injectors per toon.
Am i gonna use the feature? Probably not, as for me 150k sp per injector means roughly 2-3 days of training, not really willing to chunk 500mill for that. If there was a new skill, or a skill i really need fast and can't wait to train it, probably can use 1-2 injectors, altough it will be very unlikely.
Now, to all the Veterans that are so against this, have you forgotten all the free SP you've gotten during this years? Or how changes from a couple years back have done things more difficult to new players? For example, we only had to train the skills Destroyers, and Battlecruisers ONCE, and could fly all races. When they changed that and made one per race, we got millions of SP extra, surely, we only can fly same ships; but for new players they have to train them ALL now. If a couple thousand players decide to buy 5-6mill SP, is likely they'll use some of it to train those skills, which won't matter to me at all, or ruin my game experience or the likes, as i didn't even needed to train those, just a bit of perspective here.

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Now, and i'm being VERY serious here, to all those vets that are REALLY gonna leave because of this (tbh, i don't believe most of you will actually do it); because if you are really gonna let a few hundreds players that can afford to buy tons of SP, ruin your game and the investment of time and even cash for over 6-13years gone, then i don't think you are playing this right, so it's unlikely; but, in the odd case you do, in all seriousness: CAN I HAVE YOUR STUFF?? I promise to take care of it and don't let it fall in SP buying toon Hands, jajajajajajaja.

There is no doubt that feature purpose is to earn CCP more money. Claiming it's for newbros is a bit cheezy but we can hardly do anything about it.

The feature can be useful for a lot of player tho

The price for an extractor will be 2000 Aurum, that's the most logical price, from a business point of view.

how did you figure?

You get 3500 AUR per PLEX, 2000 AUR extractor mean you can only buy one per plex (56% of a plex) so you would need to input multiple PLEX (2 PLEX = 3 extractor and still 1000 leftover) for more than one, or have extra unused credits. I know it sound bad but this is how I would do it if I was in their position.

Edit : also the fact they didn't give the price tell us a lot they most likely already know the price.

the financial industry is doing some really amazing things with context-free grammars, isn't it