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The character bazaar was I thought a very bad idea and at the time I thought it set a dangerous precedent.

This idea - much worse. Got spare cash laying about? Give it to us and we will let you cheat and do better than those who don't.

This feels anti-Eve to me and everyone I have talked to about it.

You'll get your cash I am sure tho CCP. At least in the short term.

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in short. limited ammount of isk.

combined with a player controlled market that makes up the price of PLEX and the skill injector

combined with skill injectors requiring having characters to give up the SP.



so it will be interesting to see how this fluctuates (massively when it first comes out) and where it settles(guessing that, even if injector is cheap, player demand will make the price of the filled injector rather high)

Buy PLEX with cash
Sell PLEX on market
PLEX = ISK

Am amazed you did not know this while trying to appear expert on the matter.

The one critical thing I had to learn as a new EVE player about two years ago was that there is no way to train skills faster

I as a new player looked for every alternative and found buying a character to be cheating. Sanctioned and legal cheating but cheating on a game play level and it would also be cheating myself of the full EVE experience and I decided very early in my EVE career that purchasing a character was not something that interested me. I wanted to get there on my own.

After very little time I had a ship or two and found I liked waiting for skills to complete as it felt like I was invested in the game at that point and was glad there was no shortcut for anyone to get skills faster than the day they themselves or somebody else started training their toon.

I saw ISK as worthless as it could be manipulated by people paying real cash for it so accumulating ISK was of no interest.
I saw ships and modules as being equally worthless beyond purchasing what I needed at the moment as they too could be bought with plex turned into isk so I never saw any value in having lots of ships either.

What I valued was accumulating skills and making my character more powerful and increasing my personal skill as a player.

That philosophy has been what has kept me interested in EVE in spite of its already existing pay to win flaws that do indeed diminish or curtail completely the enjoy-ability of a lot of aspects of the game for me already.


Even now I have just a few ships and semi decent core skills trained and I have no problem waiting for my skills to train. I have always enjoyed knowing that I have to wait like everybody else did who put that skill in the skill que and it has made training even month long skills a worthwhile and pleasurable achievement and made the minuscule rewards from such time invested still satisfactory.


Now when I que up a 30 day train if this pay to win skill buying nonsense goes live I know that even though I as someone who refuses to ever buy skill points on general principle of total hatred of pay to win mechanics that although I must wait a month some one else who likes to pay to win will wait no time for that month long skill to train...

That breaks EVE for me personally and I have no interest in a game that compromises every aspect of its mechanics with pay to win devices and the fact that they promised to never do this and are now doing it making them liars just makes the whole thing the biggest most insulting turn off a game developer could ever do to a game they produce.

If I was a new player today and you told me in addition to the cash I just paid for my subscription if I want to be a sucker and give this greedy game developer a lot of cash I can have all the skills I want but so can anyone else with a lot of cash I would never subscribe in the first place to a totally compromised game with no anchors in the game to save it from being a total pay to win joke.

So go ahead CCP destroy the last illusion that your not a total sellout. My credit card will not miss paying you after you do.

I paid my account(s) for two years so far. I even bought skins until I realized the only thing they change is the color and on occasion bought plex to multi-skill que train alts and accepted that even though most of EVE was pay to win for a lot of people those that won EVE only paid for their accounts and if they really won EVE didn't even have to pay that as they could use ISK to buy PLEX from the poor suckers who suck at EVE.

The one constant that made this all tolerable was the knowledge that skill points would never take less time and must be trained by someone to acquire and no matter who trained them that time was waited for that particular skill and that constant was unalterable and the core mechanic of EVE.

That one solace of uncorruptibility made every other unacceptable and compromised pay to win aspect of EVE tolerable.

Until now.

now there is nothing left to enjoy beyond simply being able to play it as long as I want with never paying CCP a single real cent ever. And that is not very enjoyable as it represents malice, contempt and hate and reminds me that I was lied to by the very company that developed the game I have thus far enjoyed.

You see I felt the desire to pay them with real cash in spite of being in a position even just starting my career in EVE to already not have to pay CCP real money ever again if I wanted to.

Paying nothing to CCP ever again... That is what really winning EVE looks like from a true game play standpoint in a total pay to win environment and its just... boring.

This new mechanic would decidedly more common, yet there is a question whether it constitutes "pay to skip/progress" rather than "pay to win". Depending on which perspective you take either seems justifiable.

People are paying for things you had to put effort and/or time in to getting. The balance seems to be most often heavily skewed in favor of paying in terms of time/$value. Even if you work minimum wage, paying an hour worth of work is almost always faster than an hour of effort in game.

That's a result of people in game not making the same value decision. For a group large enough to sustain PLEX prices, the privilege of paying a sub (or AUR related services) via PLEX seems to outweigh the idea of earning the cost in real money. And that's something of a fair assessment given the use range of real money compared to the possible uses of in game isk.

But in reality all PLEX does is provide a medium to trade one kind of time for another, sub time for isk grind time. CCP created a series of time trades and likely views this as just another one of them, making the actual conversion sub time for training time in the case where PLEX is used. Considering they both originate from cash, well... what was the objection again?

Sorry that you waited, but that's the problem: you waited. If you didn't play this game while you were subscribed, your subscription money is wasted. This MMO gives us skills while subscribed, unlike other MMO's where you have to GRIND for the XP and levels, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to, or the owner of, anything. They could shut down the servers tomorrow and they wouldn't owe you a thing. They could cut everyone's skillpoints in half (like they cut everyone's sec. status in half 5 years ago); they could completely remove capital ships or whatever set of ships they want; you're not entitled to anything.

If you're subscribed, you're supposed to play and have fun; that's the only thing that you're entitled to, for the subscription money. Seriously, a lot of the "scrubs" you see asking for this feature are probably older characters than you. 2003 early access here (Armageddon), multiple characters, and I am pro skill injectors, unlikely to use them (don't need them).

Second, about the price, it will be HIGH. Because everyone's complaining in this thread, so they will pre-nerf it. Also because the same CCP people will put a price on this that were responsible for pricing the ship SKINs. How many ships do you fly? I can do all subcapitals. How much would it cost you (me) to get something along the lines of "I want to color all my ships some shade of blue, and on weekends something with yellow, ALL the ships." How much would that cost? Same people will price this feature. Minimum 1000 aur per extractor, I'm willing to bet on it.

Depends, should SP trade mechanics have an entry point in the billions or the (possibly) hundreds of millions for accessibility.

There's also the factors that strongly distinguish this mechanically from the Bazaar which makes neither of them effectively redundant so...

Your logic baffles me. 1 or 2 is fine. More is 'not right'..... lol