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Exactly. If CCP came straight out and told the truth saying:

"Eve is in trouble financially and needs extra cash influx to stay alive so we apologize for breaking a golden rule we prided ourselves in upholding till now, but we're in financial trouble and have no other choice but to add a feature we never intended on implementing". (or something along those lines)

Then I would've began suggesting ideas to help them achieve those goals without damaging the game's core. But instead they ignore player feedback like we're mindless supporters and will eventually conform to the master's wishes because we have no other choice but to follow the masters (CCP) ways. It's a flatout display of lack of respect for the loyal customer base to do something like disregarding all player feedback. I'm still waiting for more details on how this feature is unfolding, but not a word from CCP. Lack of communication is what's causing my anger and distrust from all this silence.

This isn't cash for skills. We already have that in the form of a sub. It's isk for someone else' skills. Not this proposals fault no one decided to question the wisdom of cash for isk all those years ago while claiming to bemoan P2W in any form.

I honestly wonder, because PLEX was here before I was, did no one realize back then that anything CCP decided to allow in game trade of would be parroted as "cash for 'x'" as a result of PLEX, or was it just genuinely thought back then that isk wasn't any sort of advantage despite being the primary medium of trade?

Why do all these negative posters think that CCP is in financial trouble? They have just spent a considerable sum fully upgrading their servers. It speaks to confidence in the future.

1) CCP puts their spin on an idea they had, news at 11. No really, this is very much the same pace as any unpopular decision. Some good in the end, many made good after tweaking, others... eh. Welcome to Eve, where we're used to this ride.
2) See, I seriously don't get this. CCP never said SP would never be tradable to my knowledge. If they did please point me to it. The possibilities from combining PLEX and skill injectors are real, but it's a convenient argument to state one of the most prevalent forms of consequence, the need to replace lost assets, can be trivialized while at the same time claiming CCP hasn't "betrayed" this concept prior to now (Think for a moment about the importance of isk for Eve's function and how PLEX already affects it. For the promise to exclude SP while including isk it means the entire in game market and economy, as well as every item in it, was somehow less of a game play factor than SP).
3) The are communicating, just not the communications you want, which is limited to a retraction of the proposal. There isn't really anything productive to say to accusations of malice and incompetence or general insults.
4) As someone who doesn't have the details they have regarding what's going on in the game, how do you know they're not? You don't, you make the assumption from I'm not sure what anymore. It ranges from CCP being poor to CCP not knowing what their doing to CCP maliciously breaking promises they never really made

As stated before, it's not a lack of comprehension, it's pointing out reasoning based on conveniently forgetting or downplaying Eve's P2skip elements when convenient. And further telling players who have trained since before your character existed that they should be clutching their SP as if it were the sum of their game experience when it's not.

I'm not in any of the situations you mention, I don't need to be because I can think past my own benefit, and further see this doesn't act against anyone save those who only see value in their characters when other have to do the same thing they did. My characters do have value in what they have trained (a decision making process fully preserved by the way), but that isn't changing. What they don't have value in is how others chose to train if the option is presented.

It's not like we're in a race as is, not with current mechanics in place.

But if we're making suggestions of self interest, what is it that you're doing in game that you need to keep potential competition out of? What capacity is it that you "earned" that feels so threatened by "week old players in marauders" I think you stated? Why do you need them to not have access to that or any other toolset?

This doesn't benefit me at all, but you're methods of protest make you seem rather invested somehow. Do share.

Since this is going through, might as well look on the positive side: tradable SP creates a wonderful opportunity for CCP to nerf link alts into the ground.

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Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm guessing that whoever developed this idea thinks it doesn't break this promise since when you buy SP you are buying someone elses invested time (transferring advantage as opposed to buying new advantage???).

If so they should consider a career in politics...

I can see this is not pay to win. Theres no magic creation of sp happening.

the only real issue with this is that it will devalue characters being sold in the bazaar other then that it is not much different then the ability to buy pre-trained characters. other then the fact that you get to pick the name yourself and since the limits on how much sp you get out of it at higher sp levels its basiclly only useful to remove and sell sp for those in the 50+ mill range and those of us over 100 mill it wont be worth buying sp to add at all lol

most of the whining is prolly alts of people who farm characters or do buy/sell flipping raging that their income is gonna drop or they dont understand this is a weaker variations of the character bazaar we already have. then again most people have a hard time with common sense.



as mentioned above all of that is already possible droping some isk on a character from the bazaar only difference is this new system will cost a crap ton more (player controlled market and all) and reduce in efficiency rapidly the higher the sp goes. also gankers are not gonna use this to train their gank alts up faster unless they really have to much money or isk and hate waiting. since they can just use throw away trial act's over and over and not even have to bother subbing them (sure its against the rules but ccp never catches them so they do it anyway)

training will still be far more valuable since this system wont create sp from thin air some one still has to train it first. and the cost of the skill injectors will prolly be so insanely high that it would be cheaper to buy a char instead so over all this has no real impact on the game outside of the character bazaar and redistributing isk within the economy.

The issues I have with the idea (beyond simply removing any character building element from the game or at the very least heavily degrading it) is that it will not help new players as claimed but will almost certainly funnel most of the SP generated up to the space rich who already play the game.

This allows for the already accrued SP in existing characters to be drained away into the hands of those with the most ISK. Whether they just inject them (just to be the first to max SP) or it is a larger nullsec group simply controlling the market whilst ensuring all alts have perfect skills for their niche ensuring that other groups are at a bigger disadvantage.

As far as large ISK rich nullsec groups go they would be stupid not to do this, they would control the market whilst gaining a bigger advantage. Note that I don't have a problem with these groups doing this if they are playing within the rules (again, they would be stupid not to), but rather with a mechanic being introduced that allows them to do so.

This will not in my opinion help new players at all.