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It all really depends on how many decide to farm SP and how many want it, both factors that should change over time. Since I don't see this as a new player driver I'd expect that long term prices will slowly slide to low profit, but in the short to mid term SP trade could be somewhat expensive and gainful.

What neither one of you rocket scientists realize is that we all started off as new players some time in the past, I stuck with the game since 2003 with no purchased skills so it can be done.

So what? It depends on the price of extractors. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see CCP price them ridiculously high.

Poorly trained characters might be stripped and discarded depending on price. But it will make good quality, high SP characters more valuable. This is good.

this is the question, making this feature ridiculously high right from the start, the feature that most of responders considered as newbie friendly won't make it much attractive. e.g. basic Orca pilot is about 3.0m SP and with price tag about 2.5-3.0b.
How much should 3.0M of SP cost to make them more attractive than ready to go pilot, especially for newcomers.

They have done nothing but fix bugs since Incarna. Only recently have they started introducing new content again. Seriously, review the patch notes for the last few years and count how many times you read the word 'fixed'.

It is time for new things.

Doesn't appear they no longer have the confidence to do that anymore so they're opting for the easy way out.

Major changes to SOV
Incoming rework of cap ships
Various new ships including an expansion on MJD mechanics
Incoming new type of structure significantly different than current player deployables
Various seasonal events
Project discovery
Visual improvements
More fixes than I'm willing to put forth the effort to count

...Nope, CCP is apparently showing no confidence at all.

Or perhaps their view of this feature is simply entirely opposed to yours. Who knows.

If I had to take bets on predictions though, I'd take the guesses of those with known game design experience, specifically on eve, and no apparent desire to design themselves out of a job over, well, someone I know nothing about save their eagerness to ascribe this to incompetence while yelling about how the end is near.

Add to that the issue that earlier you stated the game was going to ultimately fail due to your personal opinion of accomplishment and well...

This thread has become stupid. Theres like 5 pro injector people having constant repetitive arguments with 5 anti injector people, while everyone else realized that CCP doesnt give a **** and went home. CCP doesnt care about feedback anymore, they stopped caring about feedback when they ignored all the negative feedback the first time around, and just left this forum up for everyone to vent. Even discussing what the price will be is stupid, because CCP set the price they want it at a month ago and its not going to change based on any suggestions in this forum they arent reading.

I dont think this will kill the game, eve will be around in 18 months. People will use this new travesty of an idea, even people that argued it, and CCP knows this, so they dont care. Short of another Jita riot no players are going to impact any form of development here at all. Which is sad, because this is a game prided for individuality and listening to feedback. If ccp chooses to ignore that, then it wont break the game, I wont quit, Eve wont die, but it will make it significantly less special, which is already being done by altering the unique Skill system.

Really im just disappointed. In the players too blind, impatient or greedy to see why this is bad. But mostly disappointed with CCP, who are not only introducing a terrible change, which is bad but excusable, but also breaking promises, ignoring feedback, and not even bothering to put the majority of naysayers minds at ease, or even respond to the supporters really. The lack of communication during this whole ordeal tells me that CCP knows they shouldnt be doing this, but are going forward with it anyways.

Here's an idea for CCP. Open a CC line with loan shark compounding monthly interest rates, but give a 5% discount to subscription payments, Plex purchases, and Aurum packages! Yeah, that'll spur a giant spike in new players to Eve! Might as well put in a command for the local chat window, slash/pizza, to get a % on delivery sales ordered thru the Official CCCP Pizza App.

Official CCCP CC, what's in your wallet

Might as well get silly, it's not like they're actually paying any attention to this thread. Or any thread that's not blinged out in support of whichever idea they're floating at their customers. Their interaction with their paying customers comes to a screeching halt of echoing silence in forum threads as soon as the praise for the newest Shiny isn't what they get. I know my view is they hit the ignore/all on this and other feedback threads somewhere around page 2 of any sign of criticisms, constructive or other.

It is their toy to play with, to bend, fold, mangle, burn, and milk for every red cent they can get out of it. They are a business and profits are the language they speak. From a game company with a reputation of treating it's customers better than the last year has shown..... How a reputation can be cheerfully tossed boggles my mind, but to each their own.

Short term gains minus long term viability.

Mebbe someone with a business degree can 'splain how that makes financial sense, 'cuz I guess I'm just not smrt enuf to get it.

>Jeven