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Now a Corp will not have to lower their standards to try and get more people into their Corp. They will simply tell new players that they need to spend $60-80 a month on this game their first few months to get them into a position isk and skill point wise to make themselves worth having around.

Now eager players who want to play the game but want to take short cuts to get into the good game play have the perfect game supported mechanic to get the good gear and skills to fly it, before "they" are even ready.

Now new players will be told they need to spend $50 plus a month for a few months at least before anyone will look at them for joining a Corp.

Now the skill point / isk barrier is simply a real life money barrier.

And now Corps can take the easy way out and simply tell new players, "pay up to join up" instead of "skill up to join up".

I think that will turn many prospective new players away from this game.


But I know, the decision has been made because of the potential new cash flows the company may see...

But they are now "burning the candle from both ends".

The lost cash flows may be greater than the gained ones when it is all said and done.
Sometimes greed and taking or making available the easy way out is not in the best corporate interest.

Couple more solutions to the issues people have. Sorry, I'm an engineer, it's what I do.

1) It takes just as long to drain skills INTO an extractor as it takes to TRAIN them. The injector works like a cerebral accelerator, doubling your training time for the next X Million skillpoints.

No instant alts. No waking up a popsicle to bleed 10 years of skills in 10 minutes.


2) Extract a skill. That's what the injector holds. That's all it holds, just that skill, NOT SP.

New players could probably pick up Mining V for 250K + injector cost (make em cheap).

3) Cooldown, like jump clones or jump fatigue. Roll in a whole set of skills and implants to manage it.

You can inject once a month at 100% efficiency... Train Cyber Learning to V and it's only 21 days!

I think the "instant" bit is what I'm hung up on the most. Put some brakes on the SP both out of the old toon and into the new one.

Damn, he finally won Eve.

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Well I guess this is final nail in the game for me. This is yet another thing that I feel that is ruining EVE for me personally. I haven't been happy about a few things lately but this is the final straw for me. I can see what they are trying to do with this change however it hurts the game more than it helps it IMO. So hopefully all my subs running out will give them enough of idea of my distaste time to move onto other better games.

Hell no you will pay a fistfull of dollars to extract them out and another fistfull to put them back. The goal is Maximum CCP profits remember.
This will make CCP lots of money but it will also be very rewarding in the short term for us. Overall I think it reduces the feel of the patience vs reward game and that is a bad thing on the other hand I can't wait to get 10,000,000 in drone skillpoints overnight.

those corps are NOT worth joining then as a newbro.

The problem is that this supposed target endgame is an indefensible position whether injectors are in place or not. Unless you're considering the plan to be a complete churn of the player-base within the scope of this plan it doesn't play out. Those that are in favor of this are in favor as is, from what I've seen of support posts anyways, under parallels to existing mechanics and functions.

Your slippery slope calculated end point doesn't have that and is entirely dependent on people just forgetting the principles the game should have. While I like the addition of the implications there that everyone who isn't strongly against this is soft in the head for not buying the doom prophecies your selling on top of in time suggesting we'd just roll over and accept a change we do have issue with, maybe we could be given the benefit of the doubt that we're actually capable of evaluating these ideas and how they affect what we want the game to be.

More than that the method doesn't even make sense with the conclusion. Dilute your potential market with player sourced SP at variable rates which limits your own sustainable price point? Good plan. One you can't walk away from without a pretty obvious handover of mechanics that has to screw someone over.

Further this IS pretty radical. Very much so as judged by the reaction. If the goal was non-controversial they failed spectacularly and should have retreated rather than proceeded given the first thread. And I doubt the reaction was much less so than the alternative end goal you suggest would generate.

That this is proceeding despite the feedback here is a bit surprising, but not as much given the complete opposite tone seemingly present on reddit. And rest assured even here they DID get positive feedback, a great deal of it which appeared throughout the ragefest that was the original thread.

Funny how the devs already abandoned the thread. One would think they at least address some of the voiced concerns which where already raised in the last thread and tell us why it is not a problem.

Best ever!

It is a shame many of the r/e posters openly admit to no longer actually play the game, with many more simply playing skill cues online. This is of course the best group to garner feedback from, isn't it..

Tiberius - Try doing a show all posts on the original r/e thread, Reddit has a very special way of "hiding" posts - If a Dev thread becomes too "anti eve" it is soon "moderated".