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Gevlon Goblin for CSM XI

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Dreiden Kisada
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2015-12-19 01:14:50 UTC
Gevlon Goblin wrote:

  • They openly feud to the point where Endie called another member a Nazi war criminal


  • You mean the one who actually is a neo nazi? Are you confusing the two terms?
    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    #22 - 2015-12-19 02:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
    Gevlon Goblin wrote:
    I disagree and I believe I'm not alone. Let the people decide on this topic. If the voter turnout increases from last year, they decided against me. If it decreases, they with me. If they vote me in, they are with me and they are trolls.
    The people can decide by not voting. You're post here is not for a campaign, you have made it clear you will not serve on the CSM, and thus this entire post is not fit for this section of the forum. You clearly have absolutely nothing of value to add to this community.

    You want the CSM to be destroyed for what? Out of some strange idea that you think CCP will then stop listening to players? They most certainly won't, and if anything you'll give more power to the groups you hate. It's also a joke to think that you getting votes will do anything to destroy the CSM in the first place. Once again this is a badly thought out plan with no hope of success, and all you are doing here is clogging up a serious forum with your shockingly irrational anger filled rubbish.

    ISDs should just move this to GD where it belongs. The CSM campaigns forum is for CSM campaigns, not for whining about the existence of the CSM.

    Edit: Out of curiosity, what exactly is the best you can hope for? I mean if CCP even lets you run (which I doubt since you've stated that you won't actually be on the CSM), the best you can hope for is you get some votes, get in, get booted and they replace you with the next member on the vote list.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

    Tarojan
    Tarojan Corporation
    #23 - 2015-12-19 02:20:57 UTC
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    Gevlon Goblin wrote:
    I disagree and I believe I'm not alone. Let the people decide on this topic. If the voter turnout increases from last year, they decided against me. If it decreases, they with me. If they vote me in, they are with me and they are trolls.
    The people can decide by not voting. You're post here is not for a campaign, you have made it clear you will not serve on the CSM, and thus this entire post is not fit for this section of the forum. You clearly have absolutely nothing of value to add to this community.

    You want the CSM to be destroyed for what? Out of some strange idea that you think CCP will then stop listening to players? They most certainly won't, and if anything you'll give more power to the groups you hate. It's also a joke to think that you getting votes will do anything to destroy the CSM in the first place. Once again this is a badly thought out plan with no hope of success, and all you are doing here is clogging up a serious forum with your shockingly irrational anger filled rubbish.

    ISDs should just move this to GD where it belongs. The CSM campaigns forum is for CSM campaigns, not for whining about the existence of the CSM.



    Oh Luccuy darling get with the program please. Your missing the point so hard and thats just sad. Take your lead from your glorious leaders and endorse the post. THEY understand so trust them.

    Will gank for food

    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    #24 - 2015-12-19 02:26:49 UTC
    Tarojan wrote:
    Oh Luccuy darling get with the program please. Your missing the point so hard and thats just sad. Take your lead from your glorious leaders and endorse the post. THEY understand so trust them.
    No I totally understand the point, they are considering this the joke it is and going along with it. I don't take my lead from them, being an individual and all, I form my own opinions, and IMHO I don't think that joke campaigns have any place in this particular forum. If this guy wants to cry about the existence of the CSM and come up with yet another crazy scheme to accomplish nothing he should do it in the sections of the forum designated for nonsense posts.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

    Tarojan
    Tarojan Corporation
    #25 - 2015-12-19 02:33:06 UTC
    I was delighted by the Blog post, then dismayed when I read it. I think you know why, I think you have much to offer to eve online if you weren't being distracted by your (star wars quote!) "**** fool crusade". Your guides on anti ganking, on trading and on ganking I still link to relevant new people!. Your guides on how you started, early dist mission running is how I actually play this game. It's fun and I find it relaxing.

    I wish the CSM was a positive institution to which you could contribute. Your ideas about a non dec high sec npc corp and how to balance this aren't something I think should be mocked, rather taken on board. I think if you were given a channel to CCP devs direct instead of only gaining attention via shock posts you would probably be able to help them improve the game if they were listening to the CSM...

    Except they aren't listening. Sion and Sugar and others have made this clear. Therefore my (non)vote belongs to you.

    I hereby declare all my accounts will (not) be voting for Gevlon Goblin. Let the best man (not) win.

    Will gank for food

    Tarojan
    Tarojan Corporation
    #26 - 2015-12-19 02:35:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarojan
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    Tarojan wrote:
    Oh Luccuy darling get with the program please. Your missing the point so hard and thats just sad. Take your lead from your glorious leaders and endorse the post. THEY understand so trust them.
    No I totally understand the point, they are considering this the joke it is and going along with it. I don't take my lead from them, being an individual and all, I form my own opinions, and IMHO I don't think that joke campaigns have any place in this particular forum. If this guy wants to cry about the existence of the CSM and come up with yet another crazy scheme to accomplish nothing he should do it in the sections of the forum designated for nonsense posts.



    You think its a joke? Its not. https://www.themittani.com/features/csm-reform-proposal educate yourself by all means.

    Edit: I also have lost my like button. I can no longer "thumbs up" a post. Any assist to fix this would be welcomed as theres a good ongoing thread over in ships I'd like to contribute too.

    Will gank for food

    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    #27 - 2015-12-19 02:48:57 UTC
    Tarojan wrote:
    You think its a joke? Its not. https://www.themittani.com/features/csm-reform-proposal educate yourself by all means.
    Right, so Sion wants more input from players that aren't on the CSM by creating focus groups. Your point is?

    Yes, this campaign is a joke. Gevlon has stated that he has no intention of actually doing the job of a CSM member. This is one of his usual grabs for attention, that's all.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

    Tarojan
    Tarojan Corporation
    #28 - 2015-12-19 02:54:24 UTC
    Point is CCP needs to reform CSM. Even if it started out as a cynical ploy to just shut us up after the greed gate riots, Its lost its power now and needs re looking at. Sion, Gevlon, CSM reps all the way back to CSM 1... they all saying the same thing man.

    Maybe ya think Gevlons a joke? hey how about every single person votes just for sion and leaves every other card blank then? so he is our only rep and we send him to CCP with the platform "hey your customers think you should take customer relations seriously"?

    Is that a joke?

    Will gank for food

    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    #29 - 2015-12-19 03:47:05 UTC
    Tarojan wrote:
    Point is CCP needs to reform CSM. Even if it started out as a cynical ploy to just shut us up after the greed gate riots, Its lost its power now and needs re looking at. Sion, Gevlon, CSM reps all the way back to CSM 1... they all saying the same thing man.
    No, they aren't. Sion wants to keep the CSM but want it to be listened to more, with other players able to get involved through focus groups. Gevlon wants the CSM gone because he thinks without the CSM, CCP will stop listening to players and that somehow that would destroy the evil goonies. They are absolutely nothing alike.

    Tarojan wrote:
    Maybe ya think Gevlons a joke? hey how about every single person votes just for sion and leaves every other card blank then? so he is our only rep and we send him to CCP with the platform "hey your customers think you should take customer relations seriously"?
    I didn't say Gevlon is a joke, I said his campaign - which he has stated himself is not a serious run at becoming a CSM member as he will not participate - is a joke. I think that we should vote for who we think will represent us well, from a selection of candidates who want to help the game. If peopel want to protest about the CSMs existence, this is not the place for it.

    I'm honestly not sure how you don;t understand this.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

    Rhivre
    TarNec
    Invisible Exchequer
    #30 - 2015-12-19 04:06:58 UTC
    Tarojan wrote:
    Point is CCP needs to reform CSM. Even if it started out as a cynical ploy to just shut us up after the greed gate riots, Its lost its power now and needs re looking at. Sion, Gevlon, CSM reps all the way back to CSM 1... they all saying the same thing man.

    Maybe ya think Gevlons a joke? hey how about every single person votes just for sion and leaves every other card blank then? so he is our only rep and we send him to CCP with the platform "hey your customers think you should take customer relations seriously"?

    Is that a joke?


    Gevlon has stated he will not stand.

    That is what Lucas thinks is a joke.....if he was to stand on a platform of "I will push for the CSM being broken up and recreated in another form", then that would be a platform.

    Xenuria is running on a reform platform, as are several others. They have actually said they will be on the CSM.
    Abla Tive
    #31 - 2015-12-19 04:40:13 UTC
    Lucas Kell wrote:
    I didn't say Gevlon is a joke, I said his campaign - which he has stated himself is not a serious run at becoming a CSM member as he will not participate - is a joke. I think that we should vote for who we think will represent us well, from a selection of candidates who want to help the game. If peopel want to protest about the CSMs existence, this is not the place for it.

    I strongly disagree. This is the exact correct place for it and it is not a joke.
    Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option.

    In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.

    Whatever the eventual number turns out to be, it will be both serious and informative.
    Gevlon Goblin
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #32 - 2015-12-19 06:20:27 UTC
    Abla Tive wrote:
    Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option. In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.
    I strongly suggest you to not vote at all! CCP sees which players who were busy voters in the previous years stopped voting.

    One of the crucial problems of CSM is the total inaccountability of representatives, members can even do what Corbexx did with no consequences. You don't know me. You don't know what I'd do in the council, especially if I get a high vote. Maybe I'm a narcissistic little **** who just enjoys being important. Or maybe I can be "convinced" to participate, just like Blawrf was convinced by The Mittani to reconsider his position. It's easy to judge Corbexx, but you don't know what happened to him and how you'd act in his place.

    You can trust in devs, since their employer would stand behind them in the case of a doxxing/cyberbullying/defaming attack but would destroy their career or even press charges if they'd take bribe. The company has money, lawyers and a very strong reason to not let EVE be destroyed. You can trust in this institutional system, you can trust capitalism and the legal system. You definitely can't trust a random nerd who use to rant about EVE.

    Don't vote for me, vote for nobody!

    My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

    Stalker Ofeveryone
    Doomheim
    #33 - 2015-12-19 06:59:00 UTC
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    KarlSharks
    Goat Appreciation Super Station
    #34 - 2015-12-19 07:09:42 UTC
    I endorse this product and/or service
    Mechaet
    Viziam
    Amarr Empire
    #35 - 2015-12-19 07:14:44 UTC
    I endorse this product and/or service.
    Lucas Kell
    Solitude Trading
    #36 - 2015-12-19 11:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
    Abla Tive wrote:
    I strongly disagree. This is the exact correct place for it and it is not a joke.
    Voting for Gevlon gives a strong "none of the above" option.

    In other words, CCP will get a quantitative idea of how many engaged players believe that the CSM in its current form is broken beyond repair.

    Whatever the eventual number turns out to be, it will be both serious and informative.
    "None of the above" is the "none of the above" option. You may think that voting for Gevlon will give an idea of how many players believe the CSM should be written off, but in reality they will simply see it as more players voting.

    The thing is, I doubt the CSM is going anywhere, since there are an awful lot of people that would see the removal of the CSM as CCPs refusal to engage with players and they would quit. And whether you like it or not, the CSM does a lot of great things. It definitely needs more attention from CCP developers, but it certainly doesn't need to be removed.

    Also, I don't think you've really thought through what voting just for Gevlon (who won't be on the CSM and so will be removed regardless of vote count) or voting for noone will actually do. I won't spoil it though, I'll let you work that one over.

    The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

    Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

    Lors Dornick
    Kallisti Industries
    #37 - 2015-12-19 14:50:32 UTC
    Gevlon Goblin wrote:
    blah

    The CSM is a focused customer group.

    Just like the ones every gaming company has.

    CCP has switched the tables a bit by letting us have a bit influence on one of them.

    The CSM has exactly the influence that j.random focused costumer group has with j.random company.

    Or possibly a little bit more, but not really.

    Voting serious and competent people to the CSM allows us a players to actually have a say (even if it's a little bit) to where CCP is going.

    Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have.

    CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

    Gevlon Goblin
    Science and Trade Institute
    Caldari State
    #38 - 2015-12-19 15:27:26 UTC
    Lors Dornick wrote:
    Not voting or voting for idiots just for the heck of it is giving away the little impact we can have.
    I agree, and that's my goal, because I believe an player impact is bad for the game, as players want advantage for themselves against other players.

    My blog: greedygoblin.blogspot.com

    Mike Azariah
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #39 - 2015-12-19 17:53:55 UTC
    Pity, I though that a serious run for office might be something you could do as opposed to a 'if you don't vote then it is a vote for me ' paradox

    Stand for Election. Take the chance that it might actually be something with a modicum of effectiveness and, if it turns out not to be, step down. Many complain but few have the guts to actually walk away once they see how the laws and sausages are made.

    Call the goon bluff and challenge them to put you at the top of their ballot. Passive aggressive is a poor substitute for actual work.

    Stand, dammit, stand.

    m

    Mike Azariah  ┬──┬ ¯|(ツ)

    Daaaain
    STARCHASER Inc.
    STARCHASER Alliance
    #40 - 2015-12-19 18:11:38 UTC
    I approve this