Test Server Feedback

Just logged in for a couple of beauty shots and noticed the tracking camera change.

better granted, still not great though.

The functionality we have been talking about is pressing "c" to turn it on then clicking the target to "set interest".




yes it is ya big sissy

By popular request, I repost my previous comments (along with some further observations) here:

Could you explain what the purpose of this replacement is? What is the goal you're trying to achieve and how does the (presumed eventual) removal of the current camera achieve it? As long as it's opt-in, it's fine but for how long will it remain so?

• First person is neat, but ultimately pointless. It also means you have to implement more control options to allow the exact same level of personalisation that everyone expects from an FPS. I know you guys hate options, but this is non-negotiable.

• Tactical view is an interesting idea and I suppose it came out of the (very) old idea of having more of a 2D presentation of the battlefield. That idea was cute; this implementation is not it due to how you keep losing track of where you are, and yet does not offer any more of an overview of the battlefield than what the current camera + tactical overlay offer. In fact, since it's so easy to move off of your own ship, it arguably offers less, even more so with the lacking persistence of settings others have already pointed out. If you want to keep this mode, the paradoxically right thing to do is to remove it and rework it from the ground up as something that doesn't even use a regular camera view. That might offer something better than what's currently available.

• The orbital view could conceivably be interesting for movie makers if you stopped trying to make it so dynamic — granted, at the moment, it's not actually dynamic, just heavily inebriated, uncontrollable, and not showing anything of interest. You might be able to catch a neat fly-by every now and then, but it's just too chaotic to be reliable and is almost completely useless for actual flying. Again, more options (which you hate) could solve this: allow the user to turn off each and every automatic effect individually to the point where it reverts to the old system.

And again, this just leaves the core question unanswered: what are you actually trying to achieve? What are your use cases and how do the different camera modes correspond to and solve those use cases? How do you plan to handle the case “none of the above” in the long term? Asking for feedback is all well and good, but without knowing what you are actually aiming for, it is almost impossible to say whether what you're doing is of any use or any good.

That last point about picking “none of the above” is very very very important, because it seems to be the most common use case and one you have forgotten about completely. Right now, you're missing the option having the orbit camera, only without all the cumbersome controls and without the cinematic stuff. A view that just shows your ship and what you're looking at and nothing more fancy than that. Yes, this means you have to retain the old camera because it is simply better for almost every practical use than the fancy modes you seemingly want to replace it with. In doing so, you could even improve the current camera some more: switching between directions should be near-instant, very precise, and snap sharply with absolutely zero wobble — i.e. the current tracking mode but without the smoothness. Such a camera mode is by far more critical and infinitely more important than any of the three options the new camera has because they it is absolutely irreplaceable for combat tasks such as manoeuvring and quick scanning. It also offers vastly better situational awareness than anything these new modes offer for the simple reason that it defaults to always showing your ship. With the old camera, you have to struggle a bit not to have your ship at the centre of the screen and show everything going on around it — this is a good thing and it must be retained in some form. Anything that inverts the struggle is inherently bad and ill-conceived and must be removed.

I feel the new camera adds tons of value for movie makers. Seriously, I've been praying for the Jessica engine to be released for years now, but I honestly feel the new camera makes it unnecessary. At the very least, it's a huge step in the right direction. The new camera is great for achieving some beautiful cinematic shots.

That having been said... I just haven't been able to get used to it during normal gameplay. The standard camera performs far better as a tactical tool, which is what it needs to be in 99% of use cases.

I'd simply request that the two modes co-exist, rather than the new replacing the old. Have a "Classic Camera" option for day-to-day gameplay, and a "Cinematic Camera" option for us creative types to make the videos we've always dreamed of making.

this is exactly my sentiment also.

Bug when new camera is switched on.

Set a destination two or more jumps away

If "settings > general settings > experimental features > try the new camera" is switched on the Overview changes the way it keeps track of your destination and therefore with the synch to the "Selected Item - Tracking Camera" window

With the option switched Off when you fly to next destination the Overview refreshes and the highlight bar is present on the next gate.

When switched On the highlight bar disappears from the overview. This means that you have to click the next gate in the overview to select it so that you can click "Jump" in the "Selected Item - Tracking Camera" window. Very frustrating.

First off, the new camera controls are excellent. I love how I can jump from tactical to orbit to first person (by the way, please expand on the first person mode with more "inside" environment in there, that'd be way cool). As stated above, please add a volume level for the tactical camera in advanced volume settings - it's way too loud...and a bit annoying.





Confirmed on the custom tracking position, it doesn't appear to work, only center works.

*just kidding I'm not smart*

Hi, Hope this is the right post, not great at forum navigation sorry. Was looking for posts to give feedback on with reference to the new camera, The other post seems to be when it was still on the test server not live.

1. What happened to the zoom feature with the orbit camera?
With the old orbit style camera you could use the left mouse button to 'free look/pan about' whatever the term is, then if you held down the left mb with the right mb still pressed and dragged the mouse forward or backwards you could zoom in and out of that view. That seems to have gone completely from the new style orbit camera.

2. This new first person view, it's very nice to see EVE from this perspective, esp with the zoom and faux HUD effect, the tilt when turning is great too, however, so far its only any use when flying directly at something, yes you can press C to look at something specific, but its not the same. Is it not possible to add the ability to pan around while holding down the right mouse button in FP view? I'm not sure why it wouldn't have this ability, after all we are not nailed into the pod.

Hope its still a work in progress as its hard finding a point to the new styles when you could do more functional viewing with the old camera, like actually looking at stuff flying about you, and the tactical was always easily available for those moments when you need to see the larger picture or distance between more spaced out objects/ships.

Thanks.

Pretty upset that ability of tracking camera to follow ships as they warp off is going away. (as per feb patch notes) Seems we are losing this ability in old camera and new cameras)


This is a critical ability for scouts and during combat. Not sure why you need to remove this. Just makes things more difficult and tiresome.


one example... (there are many)

in a wormhole. Im watching some people at a POS because I think they are about to run sites. With the removing of the warp tracking... One of them warps off.. unless Im 100% focused on that ship and screen and move my camera to follow where they warp to Im going to miss it. Am I going to spend 30 mins to hour completely focused on some guy in his POS... No.

Currently the camera will automaticly track when he warps off. so even if im looking at another screen I can quickly look back and see his warp direction.

With this change I wont bother waiting around. Might just log off and play another game instead.

If you reverse the zooming changes i like it, if not it horrible. Extremely annoying.