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The idea sounds good, but the range penalty is just too damn high, give this e-war the optimal range of a scrambler. I understand that you want them to e-war at close range but come on, 4km range is ridiculously short.

As for the Maulus and Vigil, I feel like range bonuses kind of defeat the whole point. I'd have loved to see bonuses encouraging close combat for these two too, e-war wise.

How fun is it for the griffin when he has no web/point to hold a guy down and he just warps away?

Or when he's fit with 2 multi spectrals, a prop mod, a point, and web but misses every jam cycle and loses because he has zero tank?

EWAR is like the ultimate game of chance. Not only do you have to fly properly, but you're giving up control of your fate to chance.

That's balls.

Balls should be rewarded.

but nobody will want to risk a faction frig on a coin toss. this is a terrible ship, they are all either horribly OP or utterly useless.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't navy ships meant as improved t1 versions?
Vigil/Crucifier follow this example, but Griffin/Maulus are terrible.
Maulus should have improved bonus to damps and drones, not to scram.. this will be very OP ship making it very demanded in LP store.
Griffin is terrible. I guess you wanted to make some special and funny frigate, but why would someone risk flying this as solo ship when you have way better options, usage in fleet and small gang is almost none. Most ppl will prefer normal griffin. Not to speak that it won't be used and Caldari LP store will have another useless item in it.

Solution for griffin is easy, place it between griffin and kitsune.

For example: (per skill level)
17.5% Bonus to targeted ECM strenght
10% cap reduction for activation
5% optimal range bonus

That way navy griffin will be between those two and caldari LP store will have good item that ppl might buy.

woopie double strength ecm with 4km range then. so useful im sure

well for a start you'd need near perfect ecm skills and not many will have it, secondly you'll lose against missile brawlers and drone brawlers because drones and auto targets, which leaves turrets so i'd rather have a tracking disruptor than a ecm that only works in brawling range.

so i guess all the people with no ecm skills should biomass then

Navy Griffen is Merlin on steroid with Kitsune ECM level
It has .25 effective turret more over Merlin (2 x100% vs 3x25%)
It go 15m/s faster than merlin
it has extra 150 raw shield hp
And, it can use 1 light drone

I'm fairly wobbly at working out stats without looking at EFT upon release but I seem to get 216 heated DPS with void (4 unbonused neutrons + a collision rig) plus 22 for a rocket launcher and another 20 from a hobgob. *if* that would fit that would be 258 dps plus the effective jam strength of a flight of light ecm drones from a 20%/lvl multispec ?

It looks like a fit of damage control, AAR, compact AB, 2 X5 webs, J5B scram, Multispec jammer, 2 Neutrons, 1 Rocket launcher, 1 dmg rig, 2 resist rigs will just fit. Would appreciate anyone who can point out how far out this guesswork is ?

Was something like that before this tiericide nonsense.

Now we have missile-spawning, droneboat Geddons (seriously: the f*?!?!)

They are just patching holes instead of getting things back into order and more in line with lore.

(ps. Lore MK.II should be imho:
Amarr - med/long range laser+armour+ab
Caldari - close range blaster+missile+shield+mwd
Gallente - stand off drone+rails+armour+ab
Minmatar - jack of all trades, master of none - projectile+mostly shield+mwd

Wrong thread; I think you're interested in the Balancing discussion over here.