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Navy Crucifier is too slow to fight kiters; have not enough med slots and PG for dualprop fit; too bad tracking and TD optimal for Dis+beam fits. This ship would be effective only against slow mwd turret ships. That is very limited amount of targets. I think little buff will be good. For example speed boost to become "Amarrian Slasher" or role bonus to neuts and energy vamps to become t1 Sentinel.

Navy Griffin Blasters+MWD+scr+web+multi ECM will be interesting. This ship is very powerfull in scram range and very vulnerable against dis range kiters.

Navy Maulus MWD+Scr+Web is strong scram range kiter.

Navy Vigil LML's+MWD+DIS+fed WEB+ASB would be extremely strong kiting solo PVP ship!

the navy Crucifier looks pretty useless unless you know you'll be able to counter your opponent

the navy Griffin will just be another griffin, lets bring another ECM ship. Let's make people mad and see what happens

the Maulus looks OP

the Vigil could be fun, but the application bonus looks pretty weird to me, it doesn't add up to the rest.

At least the Navy Griffin will have to come damn close to land it's jams with the -85% penalty to ECM optimal range and falloff. That means if you fail one Jam, you are in Scram and Webrange of your opponent. And die very quickly. It will also be much harder to jam more than one target because of the range.

Would have like to see faction hulls based on the t1 frigate logi, like with the cruiser class.
i miss my missile inquisitor.
will that be coming in the future?
and are there any plans to expand the Battlecruiser class any?
such as more T2 variants and possibly a pirate faction line with unique hulls?
if i see another drake or brutix hull im gonna gouge out my eyeballs and feed them to my fedo.

Almost half the ships in the game are frigates, do we really need more?

If that Griffin is any indication the Blackbird Navy Issue will be a beast.

Isn't it about time that CCP stop adding ships that don't do anything new?

I'm all for the new destroyer and logi frigates but personally, these new frigates add nothing to the game for me.

Griffin NI racial ECM range: 6.45 + 7.2km with all level 5s. Hue. Good luck jamming anything with this before you get scrammed and webbed. 9 Jam strength using racials before heat or links. Maybe you'll get really lucky and escape before your paper-tanked frigate blows away in the soft solar winds. But at least it has enough mids to carry a full rainbow rack.

Crucifier NI Weapon DIsruptor range: 10.8+5.4km. RIP range disruption. That will be pointless. Tracking speed or missile application disruption will still work once you get into range. But lights will out range you so badly you probably won't survive to get into range. And the application on rockets is insanely good.

Vigil NI can work with Javelin rockets. But why bother when lights gets 3x the range and nearly the same dps? With a 15km web before heat and links, it should be able to kite at long point range very well. So why ever brawl with it?

Maulus NI looks good. 15km 3pt scrams before heat or links. But only 3 mids. So scram, prop, and either cap booster, web, or dual prop if it has the PG. Armor/speed tank the lows. Or use DDAs. 100dps with Hobgoblin IIs before any damage mods. 155 with 3x DDA IIs out to whatever your control range is. And with that 15km scram running, you should be able to scram kite all day.

Not to mention it also has 2 turrets, so you can fit a pair of 150mm Railguns for another 50dps. Yes, they can hit to 15km using CN antimatter, though they will be at falloff. Maybe bring Lead or Thorium for best optimal range matching.

Fortunately, the fitting resources look like they won't be able to support all that.

tl;dr:

The range penalties on the Griffin and Crucifier are crippling. Maybe cut back on that a little? 75%? 67%? 85% too much.

Why is the Vigil NI a better kiter than a brawler? Rockets need a range boost. Like 50% more range in all categories.

200 dps on Maulus NI with a 15km 3pt scram is very strong. But maybe balanced by fitting.

Reading this feedback on the navy griffin makes me sad, why cant people read stats at all?

Just to compare,

Slot layout: 3 H, 5 M, 2 L, 2 Turret, 1 Launcher
3 Rig Slots, 400 Calibration
Fittings: 40 PWG, 200 CPU
Defense (shields / armour / hull): 650 / 400 / 400
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / average cap per second): 425 / 212.5s / 2
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / warp speed / align time): 325 / 3.45 / 1,056,000 / 5 / 5.05s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 5 / 5
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 65km / 600 / 5
Sensor strength: 17 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 40


Thats more shield, armor and equal hull then a kestrel, its just a tiny bit less tanky then a hookbill (which as we all know, is a very tanky ship), it also has more fitting then a hookbill (by a bit).


(all fits are guesses, migth not fit, might not be the best, time will tell)

So

[Griffin navy issue, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I

1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

150mm Railgun II
150mm Railgun II
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket

Small Ancillary Current Router II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender II

Hobgoblin II

Can most likely swap a web for a jammer or sort, making this a total pita to fight if needed.


This will have around 6.3-6.8k ish ehp, 182dps at 6km, which isnt that bad. But its bonus is oriented towards in your face brawling

So


[Griffin navy issue, New Setup 1]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I

1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Light Neutron Blaster II
Light Neutron Blaster II
Rocket Launcher II, Mjolnir Rocket

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator II
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Small Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II


Again, second web can be any ewar mod, although i dont like ecm.

308 dps, 6.5k ish ehp + double web is a good navy ffrigate, it isnt op but it isnt bad either.



And if you really cared to, 10k ehpish dual mse fits that still do over 200dps are also possible.

I know right ? I think some ppl base their assumptions (that it will be a weak tank, **** dps etc) on the fact it's called a griffin and don't even bother looking at slot layout, bonuses etc. I think the Navy Griffin has a lot of potential, like a hookbill with hybrids and an ECM bonus, you can do quite a lot with this I think.