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This kind of behavior is more "worrisome" to me than buying skill points from other players. But I think it also outlines the fact that the current attribute system is hardly optimal. Implants and attributes only create "relevant" game play decisions for players that engage in "risky" types of PvP. As we know, a majority of players do not even make the actually relevant decision of high-grade pirate implants or +5s as they never PvP.

Players with money will always be able to acquire high skill pointed characters regardless of the current system or a new system (unless the new system forbade character selling). However, this proposed system allows for a greater "concentration" of skill points. A side effect of the above quoted material is that alts can now be effectively combined into a single character without interaction with the player market at all. Of course this is predicated upon the costs of the skill stripping item, but there is significant enough concern that a single player will be able to partake in this type of activity at very little financial cost.

A majority of people are concerned (at least from my perspective) due to the fact that a system like this proposed one will severely devalue older and more focused characters as well as (potentially) break down the stratified knowledge/skillpoint hierarchy that exists. I must admit that as a long time player with very advanced characters (skill point wise) I am personally unphased by this in regards to the effect it will have on me personally.

If this idea is truly aimed at new player retention and development then I believe that skillpoints are not the area to focus on, but rather on developing the environment in which new players operate. Eve's culture of a player developed and controlled environment has created some truly wonderful things, but it has also created an incredibly steep learning curve and some incredibly toxic portions of the game (player wise). Engaging new players should revolve around overcoming (to some degree) the massive amount of information that a person is required to learn, and in enabling new players to participate in a variety of activities that offer them the ability to contribute in a meaningful fashion. I think there is already plenty of framework in place for this, but a greater focus on corporations for new players is a great way to shift the burden off of the game itself and to use the player base to help with this issue.

Essentially, without devoting a serious amount of thought to this particular proposal, I think that there are far too many unintended and potentially negative outcomes to warrant its implementation if the major points it is addressing are the new player experience and the lacking elements of the character bazaar.

1. So does the proposed new system, but not a lot of new players even know the character bazaar exists and they don't know how much they should be paying for their toons either.

2. The higher SP your toon has the less effect the skill pack will have.

3. there will be loss, the extractors won't be free, if they're bought with aur they'll probably be quite expensive so there will be loss. As for corp theft you can do that now and sell the character on the bazaar then use the isk to buy a clean one.

4. really who cares about this stuff?

no i haven't.

the only solid argument so far has been people paying to hit V in a skill that was released only yesterday - which is only an issue for like, a month. which is a trivially small amount of time.

I read them. I don't see reasons against, just opinions.

Hum. I am still trying to be constructive.

How about:
1. scrap the idea with the extractors. Only when biomassing a character you get the option of paying 1 PLEX (like character transfer) for "Advanced Biomassing". You get one final Lossmail sent to your account e-mail address so you can post it on killboards. A character biomassed in this way has a chance to drop skills (say in the form of those transneural packages) and SKIN licenses. Loot appears in your redeeming system. Everyone con salute the lossmail. o7
2. skill packages only apply SP over time at a fixed rate, multiple packages only increase duration. Max training speed with this method is roughly twice normal perfect speed. No extreme exploits by insta recreating characters.
3. while we are at it, please decouple training from PvP by making Learning Implants like timed attribute boosters that cannot be lost via podkill. Dont touch creation process, just make them like +4 intelligence (30 days) - exactly like pirate SKINs.
Pirate implants just lose their attribute bonus. While this is a flat nerf on paper, its actually a buff since they dont block the valuable slots 1-5 for learning anymore.
No one will worry about too expensive learning clones anymore before undocking -> more action, more explosions. Consumption rate of implants can be set indepentendly, because items will be timed (good for market/economy).

You buy a whole character warts and all, including a usually stupid name. And buying that character doesn't break things on other characters.

Peo0le thinking this is somehow good for 'accessibility' and 'new players' haven't learned the lessons the EVe experience has taught us for the last 12 years. CCP keeps making these kinds of mistakes because they see unwise feedback such as those in support of this change (while ignoring 'negative' feedback, only to learn later on that there was a reason for the negative feedback).

Why make and option to buy SP, then?

what? i haven't moved anything dude - you've still yet to state a single issue this will cause. other than the aforementioned "you can get more sp than your char age allows" stuff. which isn't an issue by the way.

you could... you know, just point out an issue.

Skills give you access to more game features and improve the performance of your ship.

They don't make you a better pilot, however.

If you do not have basic understanding you should avoid discussions then. Every single valid argument you have avoided to counter argument by stating "those are not real arguments"?

Well if they are so weak why not answer to the challenge and bury the challengers? Though I assume the real goal you are after is spam/troll so it is our mistake for even considering you for worthy participant in the discussion.

I hope you will have nothing against me quoting every post you made and doing the same to you.