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So when new hulls come out and the rich players can just auto-level them to IV/V - but poor people have to wait, you think that is healthy? I can't roll up to the bazaar and grab a decent pilot for a new hull they day they release. I can with this proposal.

I'm actually indifferent to the proposals as I'm kinda losing interest at the moment - but there's a lot of bullshit and ignored negative consequences going around.


And if they really want to do what they talked about in the blog - there are better ways, imo.

I have decided to write a reply for what little good it will achieve.

For me this idea is awful. Here are my reasoning why:

Currently you can buy a character off my forums and have your form of 'p2w'. Yes this is true to an extent.

However, from a 'roleplay' perspective (I am not a roleplayer) this character has a history, you are not only buying that character but its history as well. Good or bad. This is a good thing. If you are that worried about it having a bad history you should research before purchasing. That character has had an influence of eve in some way, it is a part of the EVE storyline. I do not agree with having new characters created and the SP injected into it so it can have its own identity and your chosen name, especially at the cost of basically stripping any older character which does have a history. New characters should start at the beginning, they are new pilots, they should not instantly be able to fly whatever they want. They are at the start of their career, they are working towards and building something special.

I think even as a non roleplayer that it is a crime to pick apart old characters and strip them for parts.

Dont get me wrong, i am all for supporting new players into the game. I was a supporter of the starting SP being increased, i personally wanted it increased further and SP rewards given for completing the basic opportunities to not only give them SP but to help them learn the game at the same time. In my opinion this is a MUCH better alternative to just effectively buying SP.

As a 'bittervet' I acknowledge that you can buy characters off the forums, but you cant get a character thats above the max about of SP that could of been potentially trained for the 12 years off this game, now with this change i can afford to max SP several accounts. Is that a good thing? In my opinion no. Do i care how much it would cost me? No. This is now 'p2w' with no limit. You can argue that its better to have multiple characters, but id rather have the variety on my main and be maxed for every combat ship than having an alt for everything excluding ships that are for alt roles like cyno and links.

There are much better ways to help new players in this game. Please stop suggesting changes that ruin the history of the game, or at the cost of the older players.

After re-reading these threads I see one common theme coming from everyone that is in favor of the change.

Impatience.

This smacks of a younger generation that cannot tolerate being told to wait for something, or make a long term plan and execute on it. Like a spoiled little 9 year old demanding a smart phone from his parents.


It takes time to learn how to play in Eve well. It's been my observation that the time progression matches the abilities and inspirations of the players to 'improvise' or otherwise think of new and interesting tactics that they are capable of without jumping to 'fully capable' skills levels. Yes time *is* an accomplishment. I have played the game for 10 years and have had fun in the process and there's still things I look forward to being able to do.


If I could have done *everything* in the first year I would have gotten bored, and found another game to play.


Buying SP wouldn't encourage anyone to explore other ways of doing things. Why not just create chars with level 5 everything or remove the requirement for skill points entirely and let everyone fly or fit whatever they can afford? Because everyone would have done everything in the first year or tow, then will move on. Having never fully explored all that Eve has to offer.

The other misfortune of democracy: The "group idiocracy" that people who develops one thing is diverting from another which is not their concern. People who makes space barbie fashion has nothing to do with skills and balance. If the people were not doing space barbie outfits, they would not be contributing to the team doing skill drug dealing. Oranges and apples.

I dont really mind people's efforts to make prettier avatars or nice cozy quarters because it is matter of "I dont use it, it does not affect me". The bullshit of incarna bashing is not the same as skill sales bashing. Having CQs or WiS wont change the level of experience needed to fight NPCs or use Ships.

You want a simple example ? In old times, there were the need of clever alignment and clever placement or else you would not be able to outmaneuver your foe. Somehow at one point a CCP person spoke about controls and ui and hinted that could change. Contrary to the well already established reason as to why you cant steer ships like a minivan, now you actually can steer you ship just like a minivan. No placement or right alignment is need to outmaneuver your foe.

Other examples ?

- There was a time when you had to think of what you doing as to it would constitute aggression or not. Criminal mindset awareness was removed by adding safety setting.
- All the fitting thingy. There was a time when you could build fits freely and modules were somehow a matter of adapting your ship to your playstyle. Today you have tons of modules balanced in a way you can only be viable to fit a given ship in a certain given restricted number of ways. You cannot just make yourself a floating brick for tanking, as there is no placement for that style. Does not matter if people do that by mistake, I want to do it and I am restrict from doing it because idiots do it for the wrong reasons ?

That is the future of putting just anyone in ships and places they are not ready for. After you put them there, you cant remove them from there, so you have to change the place, not the person, to accommodate your ill conceived idea.

Bazaar already does it, and that is bad. A Bazaar on steroids will be Xanadu.

I am with the 'NO' crowd in this. Though as some I have a few skills I would love to re-allocate the sp of, I do not support this.

I do support rofflesausage, his suggestions answers your concerns in a more way that better supports the game:

The rename I SO want and WILL use.
The SP Re-allocation... see my 1st line. So even I might use that.
The last (making char a tradeable item) seems fine to me... even I may use it.

Create contract with char, throw in a name change to sweeten the deal.

No, currently EVERYONE has to wait.

The same for T3 skill loss.

This alters that.

Good/bad, I shall leave to others. But it is a fundamental change and one not currently provided by existing services.

I know, lets make a NPE offer of letting everyone start with 200m sp for only a 100$, would probably get tons of new players then. Problem solved for ccp as they would make tons of new income, and get rid of all bitter vets at the same time.

So much for Eve....

CSM folks who oppose the change, or anyone else who's against it.

Can you point me to a cogent argument not using subjective buzzwords like "pay to win" why this change is bad?

Since we are getting stupid about this lets explore that direction:


While we are at it why not add trans-gendered pilots and make other physical defects available. Lets get a wheelchair or walker option for the older pilots. We have scars why not amputee's and birth defects?


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I see so many micro-aggressions in character creation alone
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