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A player who has been investing his time and money into the game for 4 or 5 or more years, is mainly going to be doing 1,000,000 SP + skill cues and can use 500K from another character at a cost of $$ (undisclosed) to gain 50k SP. Bonus!!!

Years invested in a character to have that time (and money) devalued like this?
EG: I have 10 mil SP in missiles, which soon will be rendered useless again (for pvp) but to redistribute those skills into something else, I am to pay for those SP again but at a rate of 500k = 400k. So the 10 mil SP that cost me -+6 months to train will cost me $X (or at best a few billion isk) to reallocate for a total return of 4 mil SP because I have 54 mil SP. Which further devalues the character if I decide to sell it because it ends up with <50 mil SP.

Your also going to devalue (for now) then eventually remove a legitimate income source from players who train characters specifically for the character bazaar. $40 per character transferred - The character bazaar must not be generating enough side income. Oh and the auction aspect of the sales is very balanced - People will pay what they believe an item is worth (in any business transaction you research your product, in Eve more than anywhere else, you will pay for your mistakes and that has always been acceptable) - You removing that by fixing a $ value and sale price to SP is removing players rights to make isk in a free market. You allow scammers, thieves, gankers, market manipulators to operate freely yet want to remove a legitimate avenue for players to make isk from their invested time and money by setting the price they can receive, double standards much.,.
Lets just break part of the game and limit income of many players so we can skim a few more bucks out of those willing to pay to play the game to start with.
Most pay to win game models don't have subscription fees, when is that likely to arrive?




Will actually do exactly the opposite - Why spend 2 years training up a character for a specific role when someone else can do it for a few $. EG; I have a max skill titan pilot with <50 mil SP so unless these skill point packages are going to cost more than the plex value of training plus skillbooks (in which case they are nothing more than a money grab) it devalues the cost of 2 years training + skill books spent on this character. (NB; It has no connections to this character, don't bother watch listing me )
And seriously do you think prestige has anything to do with Skill Points? You took away the "prestige" component of eve when you nerfed capitals and supers to near death. Prestige is about what you fly and how you fly it, not how many SP you wasted years obtaining. This will only be reinforced when anyone with enough money (not isk but $) can start the game from day one and within a few days with 100 mil SP. This road could turn eve into the worst type of game (and go directly against everything eve has stood for, for the last 12 years) - Pay to Win.
Plex prices add enough of a pay to win element to the game, don't add to it with this unless you are sure you got it right.

Well depending on how much these packages are to sell for is how many exploits there will be. Make them too expensive and it isn't worth doing, make them to cheap it just becomes an exploit to buff characters using badly trained alts.
You also need to work out if Aurum or ISK is to be the currency they are purchased with, as further solidifying the dollar value of isk is very likely to encourage RMT'rs.

Diminishing returns could be better balanced, 50k SP (at a cost of 500k) for a higher skilled pilot is all but pointless and devalues time spent training.
EG; 80 mil SP toon training fighters 5 - SP from 4 to 5 = 2,528,941 (48 days @ 2,200 sp/ph) @ 500k = 50k = 25,289,410 SP (1 year six months training time).
Yet a pilot with <50 mil sp (still a very well skilled pilot) can do the same thing using 3,161,176 SP (3 months training time?)

Side note;
You really might want to start considering your player base outside the US (Australia, Canada, New Zealand) who are forced to pay up to 30% more for every item CCP want to sell the player base. Especially since you are now considering moving to a pay to win / advance game model.

Quit interesting that CCP doesnt respond to all of our comments here ...

Maybe we get some answers here : http://www.twitch.tv/markeedragon

Dont wanna support him, but the topic is quit interesting 'Skill Trading Debate 14:00 Eve Time' - he means he has informed CCP about it and hopefully some answers will be brought.

Regards

You all know that none of this matters, right ?


They have made up their mind and will bring it in regardless of how sh!t it is..

if they made a new server for this, this would be exciting.

other wise, thread topic.. no thank you not like this.


CCP Philosophy ==>>
If it works, break it. If it’s broken, leave it and break something else.
Ignore all Forum comments that raise issues and concerns about our "features", and bring said "features" in anyway.

And why does this seem more accurate then anything else recently.

I know of some issues that I've reported over a year ago and still nothing.
CS wouldn't require much work to fix yet its still lacking..

so tell me what's that max speed if i go on bazar and buy some 100 mil sp char tomorrow?

i really don't understand all this negativity: some players will increase their sps, so what? anyone can do it!

when reading the devblog i was "hmm, pay to win" then after thinking ABOUT ME, i went "hmm, this thing can help me there and there", but i see now that for some ppls, this is all about other ppl, like "why should they not suffer like i did, no fair CCP!" really, maybe it's time to look at it from a different angle

This is a horrible Idea and will be the death of EVE imo. This does nothing to bring new players in to the game or even help retain existing players. The only players that will like this are the ones who put skill points in fields they no longer use or realized they didnt like that path oh and that will cost you to fix your crappy skill Q from back in the day.

I see a complete black market go up for this as well just like account selling on the multitude of websites.

This will make RMTraders job easier also this way they can hide spread SP over multiple characters/accounts and make the characters more specialiez and easier to sell. This will bite you in the ASS CCP.

Well, before i let my accounts run out if this gets implemented im gonna spend a few days then enjoying the total chaos of having a bunch of 1 day old alts with covert cynos in bombers running around 0,0
I also expect to see a lot of 1-2 day old chars running around in link ships soon™

The only good thing about this proposed change is that i havnt seen Don Zola this active in years

I have enough on this pvp character so if I sell 1 mont earned skill point does that equal me an plex.
Then eve will be free to play for me.

I am sure CCP would love that loss of income.

I would immediately stop recommending Eve and pull my sub. Immediately and not return. Too many other games. It's hard enough to find time for Eve, knowing that I can run into someone who bought an all-V char without even having to take another character slot(possibly requiring an additional account) is quite a deterrent.

As someone said on the first page, just build a renaming and re-sculpting feature.

Someone had to buy the PLEX. They lose no money. Don't be this way.