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open the market window.
buy moon goo.
create courrier contract.
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TO THOSE SUPPORTING THIS:

If you think SP-trading makes sense, why not take all the Aurum crap out of the equation and make everything super simple?

1. You can drain SP from any character, anytime; why should we need for rip-off 'extractors'???

2. The SP you drain becomes freely tradable in any way and on a unit basis, just like any other item (think ammo, for example)

3. You can freely apply this SP to any character, anytime; why should we need for rip-off 'applicators'???

4. SP drained-to-SP available ratio to be defined. Just as an example, say you get 1 freely usable SP for every 5 you drain. So draining 500,000 SP gives you 50,000 SP that you're free to trade, give away, sell, use yourself. I'm sure CCP and/or character bazaar experts can come up with a better ratio

5. The Jita price per SP will be freely set by the players. It's a sandbox! Or you can give them out for free or charge whatever you wish.


Not sure this is a good idea gameplay-wise, but isn't it definitely better than the proposed system?

If you think SP draining/trading/selling/injecting is a good idea, why the hell does CCP need to profit from this addition to the gameplay?


This pretty much sums up my point of view I guess. I'm more or less neutral to the SP-trading idea, but what I definitely don't like is the Aurum part, that just makes it needlessly shady.

So what?

The point remains the same: this idea will let you bypass a core game mechanic simply by throwing cash at it, which is entirely unlike anything we've had before, and which is an inherently bad thing. The goals of the change can be achieved without ever coming close to this kind of dimwitted solution and without breaking any game mechanics. All that needs to happen is for the trade to not be in the form of unallocated SP.

While the supposed problem may have some merit, the proposed solution is the laziest, most ill-conceived mess I've come across in a very long time. It creates a vastly bigger problem than what it intends to solve using mechanisms and limitations that demonstrate a fundamental incomprehension of not just the game mechanics involved — which is worrying from a dev — but also of the behaviour of the players.

…aside from the issue cited from the very start: you are paying money to bypass game mechanics. If that's the kind of end goal they want to achieve, there is a far better way of doing that: remove the game mechanic completely. It has the same effect, with the added bonus that it's no longer determined by meta-game factors.

If you want to decouple max SP from age, which is a questionable goal to begin with, you can do it by replicating the bazaar in a more granular manner, and you will avoid almost all of the problems of creating a mechanical bypass. What this idea proposes is almost entirely unlike what the bazaar does, since it does not actually work with skills, but rather with something far more fundamental and far more closely tied to those core game mechanics.


…aside from the core mechanic that determines how quickly a single character can accumulate SP, since with this idea there is no limit other than how much money you choose to throw at it.

It doesn't matter whether or not it is “extra” SP; what matters is that training speed is now functionally infinite, but only for those why are willing to pay. Such mechanical bypasses are bad in and of themselves, since they render the underlying mechanic pointless; hiding them behind money changes them from merely bad to utterly horrendous.

bla bla bla. Care to get back to that post and provide me some counter arguments FINALLY or you are just going to continue with gibberish, pathetic stories?

If their lives depend on the success of their game their decisions are leading them to the job market. So they should either improve themselves, their employees and their game they depend on or it will end. Only reason why we are posting here is because we do not want it to end and we are actually helping them to realize their mistakes. We are actually doing something they are paid for and we do it for free, because we love the game.

I wish there was a kid's section of the forums for you to play in

To all: Can i have your staff and SP?

You can have some of my SP, but I like my staff. How about my wand instead?

Yes, those are my intentions. I use the rules of the game to win no matter what the rules are. That's why we always win (ALWAYS).

I don't care if you ignore me, it does not change the fact that you will gain nothing out of this whole thing no matter if it is implemented or not. Cry more.

The thing that makes the least sense is that the skill system is already designed in such a way that helps new players. Having copious amount of SP doesn't make you any better but simply allows more options in what you want to fly. That is the beauty of the skill system in eve.

Allowing players to buy SP for ISK will actually mainly help older players who want to recycle or sell SP, or train up alts quickly.

I am mildly amused how much the "for" crowd is feeling the need to pad the thread out in order to make opinion seem split.