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Except it will not happen, no matter how much you spam without any real arguments. Even if it happens, you would not play for too long before the game dies. Lose-Lose scenario for you :/

Nope, read Tippia's post again.

A subscription is a tradable commodity: I can pay for my friend's subscription even without the PLEX mechanic.

ISK, as all other in-game virtual assets, is a tradable commodity: I'm free to give my ISK, ships, stuff to my friend even without him selling PLEX to buy them from me.

A character is a commodity in a sense: though it's against the EULA, from a gameplay perspective anyone can log in with my characters with no impact whatsoever on the game mechanics.


SP, until now at least, has never been a tradable commodity. Trading or even re-allocating SP is changing game mechanics just as, say, 'trading' 3,000 m/s speed on my interceptor orbiting a rock in highsec to boost the speed of your battleship PVPing in nullsec.

I have one major concern with this, in that the supply of "wasted" skills is extremely limited. After the initial flurry, there will be very few or none remaining.
The effect of this is the initial supply will be bought up and simply become a chew toy for traders and speculators, and none will remain for actual economic use by players.

Actually I like the developers idea with two provisos.

1. Make the loaded storage device perishable but tradable within that limit. This ensure eventual use rather than just being another trade token. Players can extend this by purchasing and placing the trained "stem cells" in a fresh storage container.

2. Preserve lost skillpoints when applying to experienced characters, or otherwise, in a pool and redistribute during emergencies :) and celebrations.

Skill training is so valuable, there should be a "law of conservation of Knowledge" in that training can never be truly destroyed, it simply changes owner.

I had to check to make sure this wasn't dated April 1st.

First off, all the downsides you bring up with the Character Bazarr, are your own making. You could fix them if you were motivated to. You could make the buying/selling/trading of Characters a totally in-game mechanic, easily seen. You could make your own way to display skills and other important information without having to rely on Chribba's. You could let them resculpt their character, hell you could let them rename their character, though I am personally against that. So lets just call all of those excuses what they are, BS.

The Pay2Win aspects of this have been stated, so lets just assume I've covered much of them again and save ourselves a few paragraphs.

So here we are, when this happens you have no way of knowing if that 1 day old toon is just a lost noob, an alt, of a perfect skilled Titan pilot. One of the great things about Eve is what skills take X amount of time. Period. You can get implants but those are there for all. Everyone is on the same field, and always has been.

Near as I can tell from the devblog, you've added yet another reason people will need PLEX, and a market for them, driving up an item that is already reaching/reached the point of being unobtainable to all serious players. Gone are the days the casual weekend players can cover their costs (sure, Some can, but most can't.)

You've removed the Consequences that we all get preached on in Eve. Death has Consequences. But so did Life. You had a Corp History. You had to decide how to train your character. How to manage your time. Now you have no corp history, no need to ever decide how to manage your time if you have a CC. Hell you don't even have to worry about buying a toon with a bad history/rep/wasted SP because you just make your the way you want as needed.

It's a bad idea. Truly. I'd actually rather you put Officer Modules in the Aurum Store, than ever implement this.

all you've demonstrated is that this invalidates a function whereby age of a character determines the potential max sp it could have.

the loss of this, is... trivial and irrelevant.

I could always have a character that accumulated SP at 10x the rate mine had accumulated it; i could go and buy it from the bazzar.

not to mention there's that little thing where only a finite number of skills affect any one thing, and those skills are all capped at V so it's not like there's some hidden content behind some kind of pay wall.

I normally don't react to this stuff , but come on CCP......really???

This is the worst Idea you had since monocoles...

So NO please , just do yourself a favor , and don't ever implement this.

No, you could never do that. You could only ever accumulate SP on a character at the speed dictated by the character's attributes. With this change, no such limit exists.

By trading SP rather than skills, accumulation speed has no upper limit and only depends on your willingness to shell out cash, and thus you have a situation where you pay to bypass a mechanical limitation — a limitation that is in place in full force in the bazaar (which is why the bazaar doesn't break things).

But you can always do what I plan on doing. Just extract all the stupid skills off the characters I play regularly (how good will it feel to finally have a character without mining injected) and trash them if it doesn't add up to whatever the minimum is.

I don't care about getting ISK for a few days worth of SP, but I've been asking for years for CCP to allow us the option of simply deleting skills we don't want. I truly hope this will be possible if this goes through. I hope there will not be a mandatory minimum set on skill removal.

Mr Epeen

eve is over 10 years old. we're well past the point where time is a factor in preventing some one being perfect at anything.

at this point in eve, it's largely irrelevant how fast people train skills. if you want a pilot that's perfect at anything you can just go and buy one.

yes, again the fact that the max sp is no longer dicated by character age - however you've yet to cite a a reason why this is even remotely an issue. again - if you want a character that's perfect at something you can already go and buy one.

this limitation doesn't limit anything other than the max sp on a character - which is irrelevant as i pointed out; only a finite number of skills affect any activity at any given time and we're LONG past the time where a situation exists where nobody has a character with a perfect skill set for any given activity.

Wow! What a spook. Halloweeen coming early this year?