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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#841 - 2015-10-15 21:12:16 UTC
Scott Ormands wrote:
On one hand im excited to get back the 3m sp wasted in mining on a carrier toon, on the other what is to stop me from trainging a command ship and then extracting all the boosting skills, so to speak. in that way i could still fly the command ship but would have gotten my boosting skills transfered into some other skill or sold for isk. its a way to beat the prereq system for almost anything.

Built in rules for which skills can be extracted. The game would be programmed to not allow pre-reqs that are needed for existing skills to be extracted. CCP would have to do this or this idea really would be totally horrid.

As it is, I'm not sure why these two options are so different:

1) I spend money for PLEX.
I use the PLEX to do a character transfer.
CCP adds renaming and reskinning to characters.
I rename and reskin the character I bought
I now have a character with the skills, name, and skin I want.

2) I spend money on SP transfer items,
I use the skill transfer items to get the SP I want
I create a new character with the name and skil I want.
I get the skills I want

I now have a character with the skills, name, and skin I want.

In both cases I spend real money and end up with a character with the skills, name, and skin I want.

Why is method 1 good and method 2 bad?

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Mini Bus Wankers
#842 - 2015-10-15 21:12:20 UTC
awful idea.

Please don't kill eve this way.
WaypointExit
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#843 - 2015-10-15 21:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: WaypointExit
Lan Wang wrote:
yay day 1 rattlesnakes to gank


Yeah, I don't get how vets don't see this, it will totally happen, and it's been proven those who get ganked counter intuitively don't quit. I am proof of this one.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#844 - 2015-10-15 21:13:22 UTC
the good news: I can get mining off my character sheet forever \o/

the bad news: probably everything else

My question (probably been asked): does it count unallocated SP when injecting skills? if not make new character and rapidly inject skills till you have the desired number and then start allocating. having a day 1 character with 200mil SP does sound kinda fun though

and with SP as a finite resource, even with the diminishing returns, older players are more likely to have the resources to buy up a ton of SP.

that and buying SP seems like it would more or less be a requirement for AT teams. especially those using t3 cruisers.

not sure if I want to see it shipped just to see what happens, or kill it.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#845 - 2015-10-15 21:17:09 UTC
Zifrian wrote:
Yeah yeah it's a game, but come on. Transferring skills? I always thought when you trained, you were READING a skill BOOK.

I thought skills were injected.

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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#846 - 2015-10-15 21:17:27 UTC
Greed is Good!
Winter of Rage 2015-2016.

Pay2Win
Isk4SP
CreditCard2100millSP

Hell no ccp. Wtf is wrong with you.

Greed is NOT good holy hell wrf
Crash69
Doomheim
#847 - 2015-10-15 21:17:30 UTC
CCP, I've been playing your game for 6 years now and my character has 107m skill points. It would have been more except that I took a little break when you guys introduced $70 monocles and a locked door in my station hangar.

I am personally invested in my Character. I have patiently waited 30+ days for my minmatar battleship skills to reach level 5 and I patiently waited another 30+ days for my gallente battleship skills to reach level 5 (etc...)

I'm going to be brutally honest - the only reason I play the game is because I am so personally invested in my character. Also, I have recently realized that my character has reached a plateau as far as character training is concerned. There are very few skills left that unlock content that I'm interested in. In other words, my patience is no longer being rewarded.

Your proposal is essentially devaluing my patience.

Here's another reason that your proposal is so short sighted: You are going to allow new players to come into a game and spend $45 to skill up their characters, they'll play for 6 months or so and then realize the content is crap. They'll chalk up the $45 and sub cost as an investment in another bad game and then walk away. There is no reason for them to stick around to see what Amarr BS 5 unlocks because...its already unlocked. New players will have little attachment to their characters because their characters will have very little history and because they haven't had the time to develop the in game relationships that make EVE what it is.

This thread is closing 50 pages as I write this and the post has only been up a few hours. I strongly suggest you listen to what your customers are telling you because its obvious you weren't listening when CSM told you it was a bad idea.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#848 - 2015-10-15 21:18:06 UTC
I don't think this will result in a way to "catch up" for new players. This market will probably be controlled by the big alliances right away and the prices for a pack will be astronomic.

"Why?" you ask?

Because they have a lot of ISK and the ability to completely bypass the skill requirements by just supplying your pilots with the SP to instantly fly the new meta will be a game changer. They can and will not ignore this.
Zanaris
Zolvent Zeen
#849 - 2015-10-15 21:18:17 UTC
Vabanaz Arjar wrote:
Déjà vu!
I have seen this before and I know what happens next:

1.) the Maketing Guy who had this Genius Idea is right: it will raise the Revenue and a year later you'll see some solid numbers.
2.) however suddenly many customers will leave and the pretty numbers will be down to near zero just another year later.
3.) many People lose their Jobs but at this Stage the Marketing Guy already changed to another company - and continues spreading his wisdom elsewhere.


don't make me sad, ccp



Haha this is soooo true
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#850 - 2015-10-15 21:18:39 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Greed is Good!
Winter of Rage 2015-2016.

Pay2Win
Isk4SP
CreditCard2100millSP

Hell no ccp. Wtf is wrong with you.

Greed is NOT good holy hell wrf

How is this even remotely related to "Greed is Good"?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Zanaris
Zolvent Zeen
#851 - 2015-10-15 21:19:47 UTC
Ima Wreckyou wrote:
I don't think this will result in a way to "catch up" for new players. This market will probably be controlled by the big alliances right away and the prices for a pack will be astronomic.

"Why?" you ask?

Because they have a lot of ISK and the ability to completely bypass the skill requirements by just supplying your pilots with the SP to instantly fly the new meta will be a game changer. They can and will not ignore this.


So.. join big alliance, get skillpoints, quit

Lol
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#852 - 2015-10-15 21:19:54 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
CCP will already sell you ISK. You can already buy SP in the character bazaar.

So, while I think it's a dumb idea, I don't think it will have the impact a lot of you think it will. I'll not be running to the closet to get out my army surplus helmet to protect my head from the falling sky on this one, I think.

Mr Epeen Cool

Whilst SP is not being created from nothing, you are freeing up massive amounts of SP on characters that don't need those particular skills they trained.

Like you say it is a dumb idea anyway so why take that risk, personally i'd much rather see changes to the character bazaar and attempting to integrate that into the game, and perhaps allow a history wipe at the cost of SP (perhaps 25% SP loss).
voetius
Grundrisse
#853 - 2015-10-15 21:20:11 UTC
Querns wrote:
voetius wrote:

If it is just a way to bring the Character Bazaar in to the game and make things more transparent then it would be a good thing.

However, I do wonder if CCP have thought about the possible side-effects. E.g. would eve gambling sites be allowed to have SP packages as "rewards"?


How would this be somehow wrong? It's just an in-game item.


It wouldn't be wrong if it was allowed. My question, although hypothetical, was meant to highlight that there could be consequences that people thought were subjectively undesirable.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#854 - 2015-10-15 21:20:40 UTC
Cash to CCP for 500k SP transfers.

This isn't the end, but you can see it from here.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#855 - 2015-10-15 21:22:19 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Cash to CCP for 500k SP transfers.

This isn't the end, but you can see it from here.

CCP already takes its pound of flesh for character transfers. Thinking that they'd remove it in this case is idiotic.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#856 - 2015-10-15 21:23:15 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Mr Epeen wrote:
CCP will already sell you ISK. You can already buy SP in the character bazaar.

So, while I think it's a dumb idea, I don't think it will have the impact a lot of you think it will. I'll not be running to the closet to get out my army surplus helmet to protect my head from the falling sky on this one, I think.

Mr Epeen Cool

Whilst SP is not being created from nothing, you are freeing up massive amounts of SP on characters that don't need those particular skills they trained.

Like you say it is a dumb idea anyway so why take that risk, personally i'd much rather see changes to the character bazaar and attempting to integrate that into the game, and perhaps allow a history wipe at the cost of SP (perhaps 25% SP loss).

How does that idea actually bring any character bazaar functions into the game? Character sales exist primarily for acquiring training, not erasing history.
Do Little
Bluenose Trading
#857 - 2015-10-15 21:24:00 UTC
After a recent account consolidation, I ended up with 2 Exhumer pilots on the same account - roughly 2 million wasted skillpoints. After reading this devblog my initial reaction was great - I can transfer some of these SP to another character. On reflection, I agree this is not a good idea. The game is about setting goals and achieving those goals - if you can simply buy the achievements they are essentially worthless.

PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#858 - 2015-10-15 21:24:38 UTC
Querns wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Cash to CCP for 500k SP transfers.

This isn't the end, but you can see it from here.

CCP already takes its pound of flesh for character transfers. Thinking that they'd remove it in this case is idiotic.

You missed the point. And, as an aside, you've already done a good job of showing us why character transfers are not the same as SP transfers:

Querns wrote:


Also, you're significantly overestimating the number of times any one person would rush out to the character bazaar and snatch up a custom-made character just to stay ahead of the FOTM.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#859 - 2015-10-15 21:26:14 UTC
Do Little wrote:
After a recent account consolidation, I ended up with 2 Exhumer pilots on the same account - roughly 2 million wasted skillpoints. After reading this devblog my initial reaction was great - I can transfer some of these SP to another character. On reflection, I agree this is not a good idea. The game is about setting goals and achieving those goals - if you can simply buy the achievements they are essentially worthless.
So they've been worthless since the Bazaar was introduced and this would change nothing?
adriaans
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
#860 - 2015-10-15 21:26:44 UTC
No. No. NO. NO

Very bad idea!

I do NOT like this.

Please do not do this.

Pay for character rename or re-model, that is perfectly fine. Skillpoints, not a chance in hell I will ever support that.

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