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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Reiisha
#621 - 2015-10-15 19:10:42 UTC
Stupidly bad idea. This is going to get abused like no tomorrow.

Expect maxed 600m sp characters within days of the release of this feature.

At least make it so that 80 or 100m+ sp character don't gain any sp whatsoever via this feature.... I can understand the need to get up to 40-60m quickly, but above that.... I'll be honest, i like my vet status! :P

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...

Elfaen Ethenwe
Effluvium.
#622 - 2015-10-15 19:10:50 UTC
You first kill sov war alienating a huge amount of your playerbase, in particular high sp characters. Then you make owning capitals utterly pointless with fozziesov. Then you basically allow anyone to buy skillpoints to be super elite I assume so that you still have some high sp characters?


This is pay to win. Its exactly what i protested against in Burn Jita back when the playerbase cared and will most likley be the fional nail in a long constructed coffin for eve. Not only that, if done via aurum it will sque the cost of plex over 2bil per plex over night, bankrupting all the plaqyers who still play by isk for plex. A fellow corpie of mine is currently paying 19bil per month in plex. If i plexed my accounts it would cost me easilly 14bil per month. I dont play this game to farm so ultimately i will cancel a large number of my accounts, lowering the number of accounts in game over-all as others do the same.

In fact, with the ability to dock my titan and nyx i could sell both of those accounts, or turn them into skillpoints for my 3 main PVP accounts and just have 3 charcters, cutting my plex bill to 6bil (assuming sp inflation) per month, and be no worse off in eve. But CCp will loose 7 accounts per month. Utterly stupid.
Ami Hantaka
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#623 - 2015-10-15 19:11:01 UTC
I think there was also a discussion a long time ago to allow bonus attribute remapping for PLEX/Aurum, but it never happened. Could that also be reconsidered at this point? (As the charisma skills are still a ***** to train.)
Eddie Mayer
Primus Inc.
#624 - 2015-10-15 19:11:05 UTC
are you havin a laff !! Shocked Oh dear.... oh dear...
Bed Bugg
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#625 - 2015-10-15 19:11:08 UTC
I love this idea.
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#626 - 2015-10-15 19:11:33 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Skilo wrote:
I've been playing this game since 2003

I'm a proud "owner" of a multi million skill point char who took me 12 years to get

To imagine someone can now just join eve and buy it of with real money will make me unsub all my accounts\

they already could numbnuts your sp count doesn't make you elite


Even worse he didn't read the post.

There's a big difference between an 80M SP char and a 200+M SP char.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#627 - 2015-10-15 19:11:35 UTC
Reiisha wrote:
Stupidly bad idea. This is going to get abused like no tomorrow.

Expect maxed 600m sp characters within days of the release of this feature.

At least make it so that 80 or 100m+ sp character don't gain any sp whatsoever via this feature.... I can understand the need to get up to 40-60m quickly, but above that.... I'll be honest, i like my vet status! :P

What, exactly, is the abuse of having all 5s skills?

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#628 - 2015-10-15 19:11:43 UTC
Finally something useful in the store...

I am totally on the fence about this idea. To me, it is no different than the character bazaar - or using a PLEX for dual account training. I've been playing for 8.5 years and have enough SP to fly whatever I want. I do not see myself using this feature, but it may have an appeal for some people.

The only thing that worries me is the perception that this is one more way to milk an aging playerbase of money. I think at this point we are all simply trusting CCP that they do intend to somehow keep this game going forever.

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Eternal Bob
Doomheim
#629 - 2015-10-15 19:11:48 UTC
Skilo wrote:
You get to keep the char you want with the name you picked and the skillpoints you decided to train and not someone elses ideias/trainings/skillpoints


So, not pay to win then.

Biomassing to free a char slot.

Skinzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#630 - 2015-10-15 19:12:05 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
...
Trial accounts cant use this service... Which would mean you would have to sub the account. Which means you would have 9000x £10 to pay... and even then they cant sell the SP because they have to have over 5m SP... which is say... 4months...

so....

9000x4x£10 = £360,000 + The Skill Transfer fee...

Sounds like a great deal right? ^^


Or rich players can just gift game time to the characters in question. Sat in stations with +5's to farm SP. This will favour rich players far more.


There is still a massive cap for players over 50m SP...

Imagine how much money it would cost to boost a character to 200m SP..

Like seriously...

this would just be a nice boost for characters between 0-15 maybe 25m sp... I doubt someone would pay £20 for 50K SP!
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#631 - 2015-10-15 19:12:08 UTC
This has the look and feel of a last gasp grab at cash before the lights are turned out.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#632 - 2015-10-15 19:12:50 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Querns wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Querns wrote:
Tiranius Avetus wrote:
So you will sell time (the most valuable resource in EVE) for money.
******** idea...

Do they not have the Character Bazaar where you live?

This argument is also disingenuous,

There is a fixed number of character slots per account, and managing an increasing number of accounts becomes increasingly annoying/problematic.

Practically speaking, If I want to fly Sleipnirs TODAY on my main, buying an extra character wouldn't be my solution. But with this system? Let's run some incursions for that dank sp!

You're the one who insists on it being your "main." Main characters are practically meaningless in a world where the Character Bazaar exists.


Well that, and the number of characters per account is fixed. So the number of times I can use the character bazaar to fill my "sp needs" is 3*supported accounts. Keeping in mind that the average number of accounts per individual (last time the figure was released at some fanfest IIRC) was 2.2.

So, the typical player you can use the character bazaar 6 times to fill their needs and then you HAVE to train the old fashioned way. This new method? Farm those incursions for SP as long as you want.

You grind Gnolls in WoW for XP, you grind Sanshas in Eve for SP.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#633 - 2015-10-15 19:12:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
Errr... No. I mean, no. Or yes. Maybe that's what EVE needs to die altogether?

Errr... no. As in, no, oh my God, please, no.

Because it's about selling skills, right?
I got that right, right?
Selling skills for AUR/ISK...

No. Oh no, no, no and no.

What is wrong with character transfer? They don't look like you like, maybe they're not the race or the gender you'd like or they have a silly corp story or some stupid name. Yes, the stupid name may be the real deal.

Why not just delete the name of the character being transfered and force the new owner to give it a new name?

Instead of... just... allowing us to tear our SP pool to pieces and sell it for money like used body parts?

No, please, no.

Don't do it.

It is a terrible idea and you should be ashamed to even ask. Sad
Emiko P'eng
#634 - 2015-10-15 19:13:08 UTC
Humm!

EVE is all about consequences of your decisions and learning from the mistakes you make. No matter how painful

This is not a good idea.

But if you are adamant on going down this road then:

  • Allow Skill Extraction only once a year, per account
  • Allow Skill Injection only once a year, per account

Even then I feel it is still a step to far down the road to Pay to Win

If you want to 'improve' the character bazaar try these ideas:

  • Convert it from a 'Forum' to a 'Shop' where Characters are listed until sold
  • CCP hold all characters and money in escrow until both parties have stated they are happy with the transaction. Then the swap is done
  • Sold characters are marked as such in their profile and this is visible in game, e.g. Character Created 02/12/2003, 1st Sold 12/01/2008, 2nd Sold 13/05/2015 etc. This is instead of allowing a name change.
  • To curtail exploitation of the 'Sale Tag' you cannot sell characters to accounts that are at the same IP address as the sellers account

As for the sale of SP not a well conceived idea at all
Nikuno
Atomic Heroes
#635 - 2015-10-15 19:13:10 UTC
Most of the reasons have been stated well enough to represent me. No thank you.

Eve is about consequences and dedication.

This will change the fundamental core of why I've stuck with Eve for so long.
metalravenous
Pyramid Celestial
#636 - 2015-10-15 19:13:33 UTC
This is a great idea!!!!

The sooner this happen the sooner the game is dead and all the people that have been saying told you so can tell you so.
drunklies
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#637 - 2015-10-15 19:14:01 UTC
Eternal Bob wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
I mean F*CK his 12 years of efforts


Explain what effort is required to gain skillpoints.



The effort involved in researching, planning, and implementing those 12 years of skills. I mean, someone spending 12 years perfecting something passive shouldn't count as having done anything.

Gardeners are by this logic, worthless.
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#638 - 2015-10-15 19:14:15 UTC
Monasucks wrote:

You SIR are still in an n00b corp. Guess if you have tomorrow that 145m SP ? I and many other I know would not except you in that corps, for the next few years.


The "you post on a new char so you can't possibly have an old char or know anything about EVE" gets old.
Helios Panala
#639 - 2015-10-15 19:14:16 UTC
What a terrible idea, the character bazaar was bad enough, but this? ...
Hans Krieger
Malum Industria
#640 - 2015-10-15 19:14:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Hans Krieger
Literally no different than buying a new char. Provides alternative to the crybabies asking to get rid of mining skills from 2004. Creates an SP market which can benefit new players who would eventually just save up the isk to buy a toon on the bazaar anyway. At least this way, their character remains their own. There's no aggregate gain/loss in SP. Someone still has to farm SP if you're going to farm/sell. Adds CCP revenue for a game which I still... sort of love.

Pay to win has been there since Plex M8s M8s M8s.

If anything char bazaar prices will drop because people will be able to mold their toon into exactly what they want as opposed to buy shitler toons that sort of do what they want, but that was all they can afford. More efficient allocation of noobie isk.

END BAZAAR CARTELS NAOW!!