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Or, to put it another way, it's an arbitrary barrier to entry for newer players.

Just saw the new dev blog

https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/exploring-the-character-bazaar-skill-trading/

Unless I'm mistaken this will allow players to drain unwanted characters of their sp and simply gorge their mains with all the sp until they get a supreme maxed character?


There was once a game called runescape whose developers let you buy sp for in game currency and rl cash want to know where that game is now? it's dead.


On the same topic what is with the abysmal returns on sp investment?

Lets say I have an unwanted alt with 50mil sp which I drain in to a packet and give to my main which has 100 mil sp does that mean I will get a return of 50k sp per 1 mil sp?

that would mean I would get 2.5 million sp for 80 million sp.....that is just awful

Please reconsider inputting this update into the game. but if you absolutely have to please make the sp trade more fair


how about making it a linear trade system where the more sp you use on a character the less the returns?


Thanks

But that char can fly machariel thanks to the TIME someone took to do it

Not because of the money they spent

HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!!!!!!!

Trial accounts cant use this service... Which would mean you would have to sub the account. Which means you would have 9000x £10 to pay... and even then they cant sell the SP because they have to have over 5m SP... which is say... 4months...

so....

9000x4x£10 = £360,000 + The Skill Transfer fee...

Sounds like a great deal right? ^^

I plan to drink the delicious brain goo of poors.

I love it.

Pirate NPCs should sell fully-trained-to-5 skill injections. Every time you do an injection, they're like boosters. You get a 20% penalty to something significant (tracking, rate of fire, etc.) for a month, or something similar.

About 1B isk (value of a plex) for a month's training, so make skills about 500M per 1x multiple (roughly double).

Talk about an isk sink, people would lap it up.

What are you winning in that scenario?

As a bitter vet, owner of ~244mil sp on main char and probably ~1bil on all chars i think this is great idea. CCP please read carefully to understand why:


1. For 12 years I have been playing this game, did plenty of mistakes with missed training, getting podded without clone and losing BS 5, training without implants. Even had some inactivity periods. But for all those 12 years I have been looking at Dr Caymus being the guy with the most sp in the game. Wishing to take his place...

He had trained every day for 12 years, to his optimized attributes, with implants, without doing any (at least visible) mistakes to be on the top for all these years. Now with this new option I will simply use my inactive accounts (you can check their sp) and spend cash to take him over. I mean F*CK his 12 years of efforts I will give you money!!! (And that`s what this is about right?)


2. People will focus even more in ISK grinding, in order to buy chars, get the sp. I mean you can never have enough sp, right? You can hope it will not happen, but I assure it will. That means that less people will PVP and we (bitter vets) will enjoy pvp like in good old games with much smaller numbers. Get rid of the blobs \o/


3. As people focus on grinding, game will become more boring to them and during the time they will simply quit. Not everyone has persistence to train and pay for 12 years eh? So the player base will shrink and there will be less lag.


4. As more and more people "pay to win" and speed up with getting wanted sp to be able to fly the ships they dream about, they will sooner make their dreams come true and get bored. Easier the game is - faster it gets boring. More players quitting - hurrah!


5. People who like fair chances in games will quit as well. But who cares, **** on the poor people, just grinding isk is not enough. If they cannot spend the money in your game you do not need them anyway. Why should EVE be different from other p2w games. Why should it be niche game better be classic mediocre game but get the masses and the money eh?


6. As more and more people are quitting, some of my bitter vet friends will do as well. I am sure decent amount will quit due to this change as well, no one likes to see their efforts and money treated like sh*t.As in past, most of them will give me their assets and characters and by taking their sp i can be sure to remain top 1. And that is lot of isk and sp to get!


7. In the end when everyone quits out of boredom, I will be the real winner.Thank you CCP, sorry for your game that will die btw. Until then, my credit card is ready for this brilliant idea.



Now off with sarcasm. For those commenting that bazaar is already p2w: it does improve your "winning" a bit, by speeding some things up, but you can never take over people who invested years of efforts and subscription to be where they are. And that should be honored by CCP if they do not want to lose their face in greed for some more money. Because if you do not honor your vets today, players who are new now will know you will not honor them in couple of years either. And no one sticks long in such "relationships". Maybe some pathological cases, but they are not so common :)

And yes, as you probably already know there are people who will spend thousands of bucks on this game in order to accomplish what they want. So you will make some money, though it will be short term only. In the long run you are continuing to kill this pearl among the games...

I am not sure who came up with such "brilliant" idea without taking side effects in the consideration. I agree there should be ways to help new players. But not by killing the one of the essences of the game. Get advisers not just from CSM, most of them is there just because they have large alliances behind them, it is more of e-peen measuring (or at least it was in past, while I still hoped they would come up with some good ideas).

People who already have more than 20/30/50? mil sp will probably stick to the game anyway, they have already invested time and learned a lot about the game. You need to help just the focus group. I am sure you can run data analysis and check when the most of people quits and make separate strategies to try to keep them. I think the most quits with less than 10mil sp, but do your work and find it out yourself.

What made this game was its toughness, nowadays 1 month char can make isk easier than 10-20mil sp ones could do in past. They get skills boost, they do not have to train learning skills, etc. It is already MUCH easier. And you keep failing to keep them with all those new ideas? Then you need to find some other approach to get/keep them into the game, get new people involved.

Decade ago, EVE was elitist game, we laughed to other grinding MMORPGs. Now, EVE is slowly turning in one of them. Everyone wanted to PVP back then, even though it was much tougher to make isk for lost ships. Nowadays the most of the players are "scared" to do so as someone might see their losses and make fun of them. Or simply because they do not want their "losing" to be public, if there is no API they can always deny it :) They will rather wait for certain win scenarios so they can boost their kb stats. Which are rarely related to their skills... And meanwhile just grind isk for bigger ships, not realizing that "you are not your ship" rule :). Same will be with sp, they will rush to get more and more, without knowing that sp do not equal skills.


EVE has changed a lot over time, from taking pride in being different game among plenty of MMORPGs, harder and tougher, being unique, joy of our community compared to games dominated by 13 years old players etc. For some time it is taking direction to even with them and this seems like one of the final nails in the coffin. I am sorry for that :(

TL; DR

NO

Get better advisers.

I for one don't like this. At the same time I am going to wait for more information to come out in order to make a better opinion

I don't like that change.
The SP I gathered over time would become kind of meaningless, I could have just bought the very same SP.
Sure I can do this today via Character Bazaar but that's something different. Being able to skill up any Char devalues SP-training over time.