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Because you are second worst troll after me?

It's funny really, because the same method of getting any new skills for the Force Aux and new mods would still be there even if this mechanic never see the light of day:

Just train them as one would since 2003.

For current cap pilots that should be a minimal train. No need for billions of isk on SP packets. Just wait a couple weeks. I thought it pretty obvious that the diminishing returns were designed specifically to make sp packets NOT appeal to this situation.

As for not being able to use a new cap, seems like a choice not something you are being denied so why refund you?

If the only way I can with even a moderate chance of survival using caps is to join a mega group - Then I'd like those skill points to put into something I can use.

And do you really think diminishing returns will stop the elite rich from training required skills as quickly as possible?

Minimal train?? Armor plates + T2 armor plates, Shield extenders + T2 shield extenders, T2 remote reps, along with the actual skill to fly a Fax. That's just to fly Logi, add in gunnery + new armor and or shield skills - there will be nothing minimal about training for these changes.
I'd be surprised if any of these skills is below rank 8 - so around 30 days each. The Fax is likely to be the same as a titan, so around 65 days for level 5, which will be the required minimum for effective use.

Now you tell me - Are the richest players in the game with the biggest toys, going to wait a few months before they can guarantee their ability to win, or are they going to skill up as quickly as possible. 30 bil to some of these guys wouldn't dent their wallets, they will use isk to maintain their position.

Realistically all you need to do is trash one of the alts you no longer use - Create Sp packets from an alt you don't use, put them on your chosen capital pilot - Your only cost is the empty SP packets, which will likely be pretty cheap compared to waiting months to fly your caps effectively again.

Amazing, you've got it all down.

The only way you'd only be able to survive in caps by joining mega groups is only using caps against other mega groups, in which case your choice of target selection isn't something CCP should compensate.

Yes, they probably didn't get mega rich by throwing vast resources into 0 return investments. If we're looking at what simply can be done then sure, this becomes a concern, but if we look at what's actually sane to do that becomes a lot less of a concern.

How realistic is it to say every cap pilot has 60mill-100mill+ alts sitting around that their willing to part with to max out a series of 8x skills + a 16x skill (assuming your estimates are correct, which is a pretty big assumption) and further is going to invest in the extractors to do so (which we still haven't seen any idea where they would be priced), or the likelyhood the necessary billions of SP to meet their collective demands being on the market in ready supply that the majority of cap pilots could obtain?

One or both need to be true for this scenario you created to be remotely true. Otherwise you have a number of pilots that can't simply bypass the training and the space-rich not needing to because that "competitive" bar hasn't actually been raised.

At the coalition level I'd be hard pressed to believe that hundreds of cap pilots will be floated 10's of billions of isk worth of sp on the individual level (Assuming 1 16x and 2 8x skills to V (8,192,000 SP = 164 extractors @50k SP each * 300mill isk [common price estimate for the "cost" of 500k SP] = 49.2bill/pilot)).

Either these coalitions are dropping trillions of isk or the benchmark of "competitive" isn't moving to all things at V.

Haha that's so amazingly well written I must applaud your use of irony.

So uh, option 2....

Besides the SP, what's the cost of the empty packets you'll be using? You must have something in mind as you have a number of the cost of the full packets for option 1.


Also, 15 Fleet Auxiliary ships... you get reimbursement in isk for cap losses? Or is this peacetime/roaming that you're losing them on?

No that's not the point at all. I'm frustrated because players who have been dedicated to Eve for 4-5years who have higher skill points will be severely punished for gaining SP's this way. If you have over 80mill SP, a Transneural Skill Packet (which will have cost someone 500,00 SP's to create) will only give those, long-term dedicated Eve customers who've invested maybe £1000 in subscription payments over the years, just 50k SP's. However that same packet would output the full 500,000 SP's to a much newer Eve player. So say it costs 1billion ISK to buy a Transnerual packet. A newer player will pay 1billion ISK to receive 500,000 SP. But the long-term Eve player will have to pay 10billion to achieve the same results (they would need 10 of these items because the SP output of the packet is only 1/10th of what it is for lower SP players). Why does CCP think that is acceptable? It's not a fair system.

I don't claim to know what a fair solution is, if CCP want to allow players to buy and sell skill points. But making long-term subscribers who've invested more into the game & helped grown Eve into what it is today should absolutely not be penalized . It's just unfair. Any item in Eve should have the same value to anyone who wants to buy it. You shouldn't simply make an item for a 5month old toon cost "x" amount, then to make that same item perform the same way for someone else, make it cost "10*x". It's just a failure of a system & it will cause a lot of anger if developed.

That's the problem with an ill thought out money grab, the people who have been the bread and butter for the game get screwed over. They don't consider that those same dedicated pilots may have made some mistakes whilst making their original characters and not want to sell their skill points just to re-assign them but each time they do so costs them almost a week of time to insert 1 days training. Its what is coming though, they're now replacing dedication, Time , Effort with a disposable frame work. Pandering to short term interests and one can hope that it comes full circle and bites them in the ass with utmost ferocity.

hope so :)
Needs some thoughts, too. Yes.