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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4181 - 2015-10-21 10:00:22 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lootit
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.


Dave you either need to goto bed or shut your yammering you have no clue about what im talking about here obviously.

Levi you are too emotional person. Also yours statments are controdict with each other and you can't admint that you are maybe wrong in something. This are good reasons to assume that you are demagogue. Sorry.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Dave stark
#4182 - 2015-10-21 10:03:28 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.


Dave you either need to goto bed or shut your yammering you have no clue about what im talking about here obviously.


i'm not entirely sure you do either. every time a point of yours is proven to be false you just cry "but it's not in the game yet" like it makes you less wrong.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4183 - 2015-10-21 10:04:36 UTC
General Lootit wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.


Dave you either need to goto bed or shut your yammering you have no clue about what im talking about here obviously.

Levi you are too emotional person. Also your statments are controdict with each other and you can't admint that you are maybe wrong in something. This are good reasons to assume that you are demagogue. Sorry.


Ive explained it fine, its not my fault that translators are making it harder for you to grasp what im actually saying, maybe someone like Rawthorm does.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Corraidhin Farsaidh
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4184 - 2015-10-21 10:04:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Corraidhin Farsaidh
Dave Stark wrote:
...stuff...


The problem I see with TSP being used in rental (and there's no way to stop that if it's a tradeable commodity) is the newer less capable and/or space rich players will be tempted to just harvest their own SP meaning they then get 'left behind' as they see it.

I notice from skipreading the thread now and then that no goons have denied they will attempt to control the market on SP ;) As I have said before they would be stupid not to.
Dave stark
#4185 - 2015-10-21 10:05:20 UTC
yes, you've explained that landlords will ask for SP instead of isk.

we've pointed out how this changes nothing.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4186 - 2015-10-21 10:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
I don't really care about this skill point thing, the only thing I'm concerned about it the fact that this is yet another thing that leads to higher PLEX prices, which contributes to falling subscription number. How is that a good thing?

This is one of the only games that requires you to pay £10 per month to play and then has the nerve to overprice things like skin... It's almost like CCP want to drive people out.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Dave stark
#4187 - 2015-10-21 10:08:03 UTC
Corraidhin Farsaidh wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
...stuff...


The problem I see with TSP being used in rental (and there's no way to stop that if it's a tradeable commodity) is the newer less capable and/or space rich players will be tempted to just harvest their own SP meaning they then get 'left behind' as they see it.

I notice from skipreading the thread now and then that no goons have denied they will attempt to control the market on SP ;) As I have said before they would be stupid not to.


and that's different to them just selling the SP to pay the rental bill if the landlords say "carry on paying your rent in isk"?
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4188 - 2015-10-21 10:08:40 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.


Dave you either need to goto bed or shut your yammering you have no clue about what im talking about here obviously.


i'm not entirely sure you do either. every time a point of yours is proven to be false you just cry "but it's not in the game yet" like it makes you less wrong.


Youve not proven anything wrong you just go back and forth that TSP's and bazaar toons are the same, I gave up on you seeing their differences but im now giving you a very easy way if it was left to players and not CCP how TSP's could create very real abuse that would be fine in game.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4189 - 2015-10-21 10:09:55 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.


Dave you either need to goto bed or shut your yammering you have no clue about what im talking about here obviously.


i'm not entirely sure you do either. every time a point of yours is proven to be false you just cry "but it's not in the game yet" like it makes you less wrong.


Youve not proven anything wrong you just go back and forth that TSP's and bazaar toons are the same, I gave up on you seeing their differences but im now giving you a very easy way if it was left to players and not CCP how TSP's could create very real abuse that would be fine in game.


you've just demonstrated you haven't read a single thing i've posted. their differences are irrelevant. we're not talking about bazaar toons we're talking about paying landlords.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4190 - 2015-10-21 10:11:42 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
yes, you've explained that landlords will ask for SP instead of isk.

we've pointed out how this changes nothing.


No i didnt say sp for isk, i said they pay there isk/rent then they are asked to pay a tribute for the protection theyre being afforded in a controlled pocket of space - This is the part you have not wrapped your nugget round yet .

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4191 - 2015-10-21 10:15:01 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yes, you've explained that landlords will ask for SP instead of isk.

we've pointed out how this changes nothing.


No i didnt say sp for isk, i said they pay there isk/rent then they are asked to pay a tribute for the protection theyre being afforded in a controlled pocket of space - This is the part you have not wrapped your nugget round yet .


so you're asking them to pay 2 lots of rent.

so you're just putting their rent up. ok, so what does increasing rental fees for renters have to do with this proposal?
Josef Djugashvilis
#4192 - 2015-10-21 10:17:02 UTC
This is going to happen, not because it will improve the new player experience, not because wealthy vets can 'exploit' the market, not because players have demanded it, but because CCP need the hoped for, extra money.

No more, no less.

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Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#4193 - 2015-10-21 10:17:19 UTC
Why are these dweebs arguing about renters? What?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#4194 - 2015-10-21 10:17:22 UTC
I think if CCP want to implement this then they should be straight.

All SP should be accumulated into a unallocated pool for each subbed account. This SP can then be distributed between characters on that account or sold onto the market.

This is the logical conclusion to the current direction this idea takes us.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4195 - 2015-10-21 10:17:52 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yes, you've explained that landlords will ask for SP instead of isk.

we've pointed out how this changes nothing.


No i didnt say sp for isk, i said they pay there isk/rent then they are asked to pay a tribute for the protection theyre being afforded in a controlled pocket of space - This is the part you have not wrapped your nugget round yet .


so you're asking them to pay 2 lots of rent.

so you're just putting their rent up. ok, so what does increasing rental fees for renters have to do with this proposal?


Try reading it again then, im not going through it all again because your illiterate.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave stark
#4196 - 2015-10-21 10:20:05 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
yes, you've explained that landlords will ask for SP instead of isk.

we've pointed out how this changes nothing.


No i didnt say sp for isk, i said they pay there isk/rent then they are asked to pay a tribute for the protection theyre being afforded in a controlled pocket of space - This is the part you have not wrapped your nugget round yet .


so you're asking them to pay 2 lots of rent.

so you're just putting their rent up. ok, so what does increasing rental fees for renters have to do with this proposal?


Try reading it again then, im not going through it all again because your illiterate.


we don't need you to continue, we've already established that renters paying in SP is no different to paying in ISK.
Josef Djugashvilis
#4197 - 2015-10-21 10:23:17 UTC
Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)

Keep up the good fight.

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Dave stark
#4198 - 2015-10-21 10:25:11 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)

Keep up the good fight.


it's threads like this that remind me why i go to reddit rather than eve-o to discuss ideas, to be honest. (more dev replies, for a start)
Josef Djugashvilis
#4199 - 2015-10-21 10:30:39 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)

Keep up the good fight.


it's threads like this that remind me why i go to reddit rather than eve-o to discuss ideas, to be honest. (more dev replies, for a start)


That the devs respond more outside of their own ingame forum, is, bad, bad, bad.

When it comes to public relations, CCP remind me of the old John Cleese, 'how not to do it' management educational films.

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Dave stark
#4200 - 2015-10-21 10:37:15 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Lordy, Mr Dave, I am beginning to suspect that you are a 24 hour a day typing bot :)

Keep up the good fight.


it's threads like this that remind me why i go to reddit rather than eve-o to discuss ideas, to be honest. (more dev replies, for a start)


That the devs respond more outside of their own ingame forum, is, bad, bad, bad.

When it comes to public relations, CCP remind me of the old John Cleese, 'how not to do it' management educational films.



to be fair, reddit is a better source of eve info all around. all i have to do is check the top threads on reddit rather than checking F&I to figure out if there are any new stickies, devblogs to see if there are any of those that are new, eve news if there's anything in there, etc.

it's all in one place; the front page.