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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Skinzee
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#401 - 2015-10-15 17:49:22 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...


--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---


There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)



Would love someone to actually give me a valid answer to this question.

As far as I can see, there is none.

Doing this does NOT effect 'vet' pilots in anyway, other than you assuming a pilot has less skillpoints than he actually does because of its birthdate and then being blown apart because he has T2 guns at 5days old.

Doing this does NOT mean that I can boost my characters SP so that I can being the richest person in EvE just because I bought SP.

Doing this does not effect other pilots ability to play the game any less or more than it does now. (other than training for a link character - Which I could go and do right now)

I WANT TO BE ABLE TO SPEND BILLIONS OF ISK ON MY OWN CHARACTER, WITH MY OWN NAME AND HISTORY OF THAT CHARACTER IS FULLY KNOWN TO ME RATHER THAN BUYING A 2ND HAND 'ALT' CHARACTER OR CORP THEIF OR W/E.
Thalen Draganos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#402 - 2015-10-15 17:49:28 UTC
I'm not a fan of this idea as a whole, BUT, I have been saying for years now that I wished there was a way to get rid of skills I don't want and reallocate them to skills I do want. With that in mind, is that possible? To use an extractor to remove the skill points I don't want with a Transneural Skill Extractor and turn that in to Transneural Skill Packets that I can then turn in to free xp and reallocate? Having 170mil sp on this character alone, I would absolutely love to shuffle that around or use them on my other characters. That alone would be a dream come true.
Jason Atavuli
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#403 - 2015-10-15 17:49:37 UTC
No, I'm really not feeling this

CCP if you push this through anyway regardless of popular opinion, could you at least make that monument in Jita destructible please?
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Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#404 - 2015-10-15 17:49:42 UTC
Felo Maxun wrote:
"We hope that because this feature is modeled from the Character Bazaar, a long-standing and well-established feature, we are already pointed in a good direction."


This feature is not "modeled from the Character Bazaar" not in the slightest.

There is basically only one thing in eve that cant be bought.... and you want to put it up for sale.

This is a sad day.

You may wish to re-examine what the character bazaar does, because it isn't what you think it is.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Dun Bar
Baba Yagas
The Initiative.
#405 - 2015-10-15 17:49:52 UTC
NO NO NO NO NO, we are not blizzard. this will put the final nail in the eve is dying coffin. Please for love of god, no
Tzu Wu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#406 - 2015-10-15 17:49:53 UTC
Duffyman wrote:
Hi,

not meaning to take sides, but what is the difference between this and the Character Bazaar, in terms of P2W?


Almost zero difference aside from being able to apply the SP to a new character.
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#407 - 2015-10-15 17:50:31 UTC
Duffyman wrote:
Hi,

not meaning to take sides, but what is the difference between this and the Character Bazaar, in terms of P2W?

There is absolutely none. Don't let anyone try and tell you differently.

This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Nataliya Barre
Men of Mayhem Inc.
Stockholm Syndrome.
#408 - 2015-10-15 17:50:35 UTC
Just NO AttentionUgh
Bazoobo Gwabo
Safe Heading Logistics
#409 - 2015-10-15 17:50:46 UTC
Seems like a lot of the older veterans are against this but then again I see the same reaction in other games. Not really seeing much in the way of response from newer players who have not had the 12+ years invested in this game and are trying to play catch up.

So it is ok then to drop 30 billion isk (~ 25 PLEX ~$500) to get a character off the bazaar? I would rather have the opportunity to add points to skill up this character rather than switching to a character in which I have no history. Years ago I bought a character in another game and felt like the whole time I was in another person's body and always felt weird about playing a character I did not invest my time and effort into developing. Told myself I would never do that again.

Even as it is now I would like to participate in null sec or pvp on this character, but do not want to waste time in a no implant clone. So for now I sit in my nice high-sec close doing mainly PVE stuff. In a long training queue, +5 implants vs no implants can mean the difference in a month of training.

I welcome the idea of being able to spend a few coins to inject some skill points.

o/

"As cannons overcharged with double cracks, so they doubly redoubled strokes upon the foe." Captain, Macbeth Act 1 Scene 2
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#410 - 2015-10-15 17:50:54 UTC
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Hey...wait a minute.

Does this mean I'll be able to sell Mining 2, and all the other total carebear crap I was born with? Hmmm.


Yes. You could do that. Once you buy the appropriate in game items. Either for ISK or even RL money (via Aurum).

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Kilian Katar
Unknown Enterprises
#411 - 2015-10-15 17:50:57 UTC
The character bazaar is like manufacturing and the market, its a risk when you train a character to sell, markets change, eve changes, one minute black ops pilots could be like gold, then all of a sudden gold is worthless and copper is what you want, and thus boosters are worth lots, etc, SP is SP only risk is where you put it after you brought it.
HaoSs Ragnarok
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#412 - 2015-10-15 17:50:58 UTC
Bad idea. Never ever implement this..

on the other hand .move SP from 1 skill to another. yes. BUT ON THE SAME CHARACTER !
Captain Africa
GRIM MARCH
#413 - 2015-10-15 17:51:02 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
Tzu Wu wrote:
Captain Africa wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
All the people moaning and complaining about the idea are people that already have 50-100+ million skill points...

Yes, you've spent your fair share of time training your skills to be where they are but this is NOT pay to win...

My character has 2.2million SP and am currently training core skills and want to fly a curse as its my favorite ship..

Current training time left to fly 'efficiently' - 70d 11h 21mn...

That is effectively 2.5m SP (roughly).

If I had the option to spend £20-30 to avoid those 70days to get into the ship I want to fly and make me want to play the game more, than I'd be happy to do it.


What issue do you see of a character being 'boosted' to 5m or even 10m skillpoints etc? I imagine it wont be cheap getting millions of skillpoints doing it this way either.

I was tempted by character bazaar and buying my own character but that character would never be 'mine'... it would never be special... never have my own name etc.

I fully agree with this option as I dont see a major issue with it.

All the vets can go cry somewhere else. Just because you dont want newbies being a 'competition' in anyway...

IM A NEWB AND I WANT TO PAY A LITTLE EXTRA TO FLY A SHIP AND ENJOY THE GAME THAT I ALREADY PAY FOR!



YOU DON'T BUY YOUR WAY INTO EVE >>>YOU EARN YOUR WAY INTO EVE ....like we all did !



Don't speak for everyone man. Have you not heard of the character bazaar? Saying "we all earned it" is beyond idiotic. That's just as much p2w as this is.



Your the idiot do you really think people know me by my real name ...were working with entities . You buy an entity that is a huge difference between buying skills.

You buy a rap sheet and you have to live with the consequences...that's the eve i know ...


How is that a huge difference? THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE OTHER THAN THE BIRTHDATE OF THE CHARACTER. So you buy a character who was a previous corp thief, pirate, scammer or w/e... now what? your screwed with a character with a bad rep which you had nothing to do with.



Yup ..and trust me people will react to that character and not to who you are ...and that is the whole point. Look buddy ...if been where you are. now. Trust me time is a currency as much as money. One day when you look back and did the time you will appreciate what im saying. To go and buy a ton of sp and within a few days you have this god of a pilot....you just wont give a ****..
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#414 - 2015-10-15 17:51:58 UTC
Querns wrote:

Except no one on the internet actually performs the research. They proclaim "X is correlated with Y, therefore X causes Y" and are done. What's worse, is that people believe them.

That doesn't mean we have to stoop to the standards of the lowest common denominator of the internet, does it?
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#415 - 2015-10-15 17:52:04 UTC
Skinzee wrote:
Skinzee wrote:
I have a question for ALL people that say this is a bad idea...


--- WHAT EFFECT WOULD IT HAVE ON YOU AS A PILOT IF THIS WOULD ACTUALLY GO LIVE? ---


There is already an option to buy 0-200m SP characters... Character Bazaar - (Thats Pay2Win if you look at it that way)



Would love someone to actually give me a valid answer to this question.

As far as I can see, there is none.



I do... Bitter vets would have more people around them that could fly high end doctrines like they do. Just by roaming off their own SP.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#416 - 2015-10-15 17:52:28 UTC
I have 158 days left, it has been fun CCP. I will make the most of them.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#417 - 2015-10-15 17:52:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
OMG! OMG! OMG!

Major, huge change.

Though I think the idea of diminishing returns is great, and necessary, I think the >80m penalty is way too severe. Would suggest at least 100k, or the system won't be used by those with the SP in the first place, i.e. rookies may benefit from buying, but the market by far is "worked" by veterans that have the excess characters / skilpoints.

EDIT: I'm hoping to be able to remove some skills I started with and never used, or trained by mistake. If I could do that and not be reimbursed (e.g. no tradeable skill packet), I'd still do it. Heck, I'd pay cash to get rid of them.
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
Safety.
#418 - 2015-10-15 17:52:42 UTC
Oh looks, there are even ~4 people who are in favour of it and post this two times per page.

Evil RatKid
Kilian Katar
Unknown Enterprises
#419 - 2015-10-15 17:52:43 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:
I'm not a fan of this idea as a whole, BUT, I have been saying for years now that I wished there was a way to get rid of skills I don't want and reallocate them to skills I do want. With that in mind, is that possible? To use an extractor to remove the skill points I don't want with a Transneural Skill Extractor and turn that in to Transneural Skill Packets that I can then turn in to free xp and reallocate? Having 170mil sp on this character alone, I would absolutely love to shuffle that around or use them on my other characters. That alone would be a dream come true.



On current proposal this would mean like say you had 5m sp you wanted to reallocate, because of the total sp you have you would be lucky to get like 50k back lol.
Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#420 - 2015-10-15 17:52:48 UTC
Thalen Draganos wrote:
I'm not a fan of this idea as a whole, BUT, I have been saying for years now that I wished there was a way to get rid of skills I don't want and reallocate them to skills I do want. With that in mind, is that possible? To use an extractor to remove the skill points I don't want with a Transneural Skill Extractor and turn that in to Transneural Skill Packets that I can then turn in to free xp and reallocate? Having 170mil sp on this character alone, I would absolutely love to shuffle that around or use them on my other characters. That alone would be a dream come true.



Maybe you should read the Dev Blog....

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"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

8 Golden Rules for EVE Online