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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#4161 - 2015-10-21 08:11:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Tav Breil'ya wrote:
Obviously a way to get around for scammers and fraudsters.

Sad to see that money (ISK or real) can buy anything in the game, even long-term skilltraning.

A really, really bad idea to bring to the game to sell individual skillpoints off a character. and a really sad story for newbies to lose a multi-billion capital ship, just because they don't know how to play it, despite the skillpoints in the bank.

It doesn't. Money buys the ability to EXTRACT skill points, not skill points themselves. And you will no doubt be able to purchase the extractors for isk on the market if you so desire.

Edit: just read the comment again and you mentioned isk. Perhaps that is where the difference in opinions stems from. I do not view isk and 'money'.

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Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4162 - 2015-10-21 08:17:32 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:

Rent 3 billion

Right scum as were looking after you your also going to have to stump up 5 mill TSP a month < Extortion but still legal in EvE its a commodity now so as such not covered by anti scam


Now that is an interesting thought, the character bazaar Is protected and monitored. Are you saying that this is so safe that it has no need of that? Anybody see any safety issues if it is NOT the same as the bazaar?

Or are we all trustworthy enough that such safeties are not needed?

m


the safety feature is that you can just go and buy SP from the market.


You keep saying that but as we are now you can't, that concept doesnt exist . If this were to go ahead as i said earlier the only way it cannot be abused what so ever is to have CCP to sell them and not be made so they can be traded either, that way it can only benefit the new or deeper pocketed players and will not effect the ecomony in anyway.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave Stark
#4163 - 2015-10-21 08:36:06 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:

Rent 3 billion

Right scum as were looking after you your also going to have to stump up 5 mill TSP a month < Extortion but still legal in EvE its a commodity now so as such not covered by anti scam


Now that is an interesting thought, the character bazaar Is protected and monitored. Are you saying that this is so safe that it has no need of that? Anybody see any safety issues if it is NOT the same as the bazaar?

Or are we all trustworthy enough that such safeties are not needed?

m


the safety feature is that you can just go and buy SP from the market.


You keep saying that but as we are now you can't, that concept doesnt exist . If this were to go ahead as i said earlier the only way it cannot be abused what so ever is to have CCP to sell them and not be made so they can be traded either, that way it can only benefit the new or deeper pocketed players and will not effect the ecomony in anyway.


what are you blithering about?

buying sp from the market is exactly what this concept is.
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4164 - 2015-10-21 08:41:25 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lootit
Levi Belvar wrote:

it cannot be abused .

Abusing is too loud word for that. I think calling it part of traiding warfare is better. And any warfare is legit part of the game.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4165 - 2015-10-21 08:48:00 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
that way it can only benefit the new or deeper pocketed players and will not effect the ecomony in anyway.

But
Levi Belvar wrote:

You keep saying that but as we are now you can't, that concept doesnt exist .

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4166 - 2015-10-21 09:12:35 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lootit
Tav Breil'ya wrote:
really sad story for newbies to lose a multi-billion capital ship, just because they don't know how to play it, despite the skillpoints in the bank.

Bad decisions leading to bad consequences. First rule of EVE Be able to afford a loss.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4167 - 2015-10-21 09:14:48 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Mike Azariah wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:

Rent 3 billion

Right scum as were looking after you your also going to have to stump up 5 mill TSP a month < Extortion but still legal in EvE its a commodity now so as such not covered by anti scam


Now that is an interesting thought, the character bazaar Is protected and monitored. Are you saying that this is so safe that it has no need of that? Anybody see any safety issues if it is NOT the same as the bazaar?

Or are we all trustworthy enough that such safeties are not needed?

m


the safety feature is that you can just go and buy SP from the market.


You keep saying that but as we are now you can't, that concept doesnt exist . If this were to go ahead as i said earlier the only way it cannot be abused what so ever is to have CCP to sell them and not be made so they can be traded either, that way it can only benefit the new or deeper pocketed players and will not effect the ecomony in anyway.


what are you blithering about?

buying sp from the market is exactly what this concept is.


As it is now sure you can extort more money from a renter but what you going to spend it on ? there is no way to build a perfect toon or add skillpoints to make any character any better Instantly.

Your problem is your talking as if sp's are here now and keep rambling on as if you can because its the same

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave Stark
#4168 - 2015-10-21 09:21:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Levi Belvar wrote:
As it is now sure you can extort more money from a renter but what you going to spend it on ? there is no way to build a perfect toon or add skillpoints to make any character any better Instantly.

Your problem is your talking as if sp's are here now and keep rambling on as if you can because its the same


the same thing they're always spending isk on? more supers, srp, pos fuel... if they didn't need the money to spend on things they wouldn't be renting out their space.

it doesn't matter if you can't build a perfect toon - that's not what's being discussed here.

whether you extort SP or isk from people is irrelevant as they are interchangable. if goons want 5m SP per month from a renter they can either ask for 5m SP directly or ask for the 3.5bn isk it will cost them to buy it in jita and move it to where they need it.

it's like them asking for 3 plex per month rent instead. they're not forcing you to spend real money. you just go to jita and buy a few plex then contract it to your benevolent landlord.
Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
#4169 - 2015-10-21 09:25:49 UTC
Zappity wrote:
It doesn't. Money buys the ability to EXTRACT skill points, not skill points themselves. And you will no doubt be able to purchase the extractors for isk on the market if you so desire.

Money also buys ISK (by PLEX) which can be spend on skill points by buying extracted SP. How much SP I'll able to buy depends on PLEX and skill pack prices. Can I buy SP for RL money? non-directly.

"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4170 - 2015-10-21 09:28:26 UTC
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave Stark
#4171 - 2015-10-21 09:32:23 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


you say that like they can't just buy logi pilots if that's what they need. (funfact, they can)
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4172 - 2015-10-21 09:33:34 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


you say that like they can't just buy logi pilots if that's what they need. (funfact, they can)


But not for free you ******** blockhead

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave Stark
#4173 - 2015-10-21 09:34:53 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


you say that like they can't just buy logi pilots if that's what they need. (funfact, they can)


But not for free you ******** blockhead


they aren't getting TSPs for free.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4174 - 2015-10-21 09:36:02 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


you say that like they can't just buy logi pilots if that's what they need. (funfact, they can)


But not for free you ******** blockhead


they aren't getting TSPs for free.


At the moment dave theyre not in the game remember

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#4175 - 2015-10-21 09:36:26 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


You realize that even now in the scenario you talk about, they could have just gone to the character bazaar and bought a bunch of new logi pilots just the same right? Having a warchest full of ISK or injectable SP leads to pretty much the same result.

Sure the Injection route (depending on the final cost) MAY be a bit more focused, but by the same extension the purchased character can also be improved and resold later when the meta changes, most likely for a profit so can also be looked upon as an investment.
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4176 - 2015-10-21 09:37:09 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lootit
Hey Levi stop ignoring me. We are friends. Right? or parrots Big smile
Levi Belvar wrote:

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.
....
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.

Levi Belvar wrote:

You keep saying that but as we are now you can't, that concept doesnt exist .

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Dave Stark
#4177 - 2015-10-21 09:39:43 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


you say that like they can't just buy logi pilots if that's what they need. (funfact, they can)


But not for free you ******** blockhead


they aren't getting TSPs for free.


At the moment dave theyre not in the game remember


you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4178 - 2015-10-21 09:40:08 UTC
Rawthorm wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave,

Game as it is now , No skillpoint trading in it.

rent 3 bill

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 3 bill tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater
There is no skillpoints in this senario so you bank the extra cash, distribute it, buy minerals - There is no instant character progression it doesnt exist.


Game with skillpoint trading

because we protected you against xyz you pay us 5 mill TSP tribute this month also as you losses would of been far greater.

Now times this on how ever many they could use this concept on
Right we have 80 mill is TSP this month in the kittty, we can use this to create a new logi wing in flashjacks crew.


You realize that even now in the scenario you talk about, they could have just gone to the character bazaar and bought a bunch of new logi pilots just the same right? Having a warchest full of ISK or injectable SP leads to pretty much the same result.

Sure the Injection route (depending on the final cost) MAY be a bit more focused, but by the same extension the purchased character can also be improved and resold later when the meta changes, most likely for a profit so can also be looked upon as an investment.


The tribute is extortion money basically holding renters to ransom, theyre free TSP's as such . Going to the bazaar you spending isk, im on about creating toons from extortion money - ergo free characters or boosting existing

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4179 - 2015-10-21 09:52:21 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
you say that like renters are magically living in rental space for free right now.

newsflash; they aren't.


Dave you either need to goto bed or shut your yammering you have no clue about what im talking about here obviously.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#4180 - 2015-10-21 09:58:14 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Tav Breil'ya wrote:
Obviously a way to get around for scammers and fraudsters.

Sad to see that money (ISK or real) can buy anything in the game, even long-term skilltraning.

A really, really bad idea to bring to the game to sell individual skillpoints off a character. and a really sad story for newbies to lose a multi-billion capital ship, just because they don't know how to play it, despite the skillpoints in the bank.

It doesn't. Money buys the ability to EXTRACT skill points, not skill points themselves. And you will no doubt be able to purchase the extractors for isk on the market if you so desire.

Edit: just read the comment again and you mentioned isk. Perhaps that is where the difference in opinions stems from. I do not view isk and 'money'.

Being able to extract skillpoints with money and getting raw skillpoints themselves is the same thing.