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Lets talk also about the social effects this feature could have, instead of focusing on payment and the pure mechanic.
If it has been mentioned before - well heres another one repeating it :)

The Training Queue is in fact the most beautiful and elegant feature in eve. All these "problems" people are complaining about are imo. the needed core of this game.

Not beeing able to skill everything you want in a short time forces players to whisely specialize their characters and forces them to work together. Maybe i need someone who processes my ore, hauls my assets, produces my ships and so on.

The introduction of alts and multicharactertraining enabled players to refuse cooperation. Why should i work together with someone else, dividing the income, if it´s simply possible to train an alt that does exactly what i need, instead of this other person. (High Plex prices are only further adding to this - it´s simply not economical to do so, depending on where you live in the universe.) Also the character bazaar has added to this. ofcourse there is a cap in the amount of alts one is able to sub, the offered chars on the bazaar, it softens this problem a bit.

But i think we all know the negative effects and how eve, it´s economy and community is suffering due to this.

if we are allowed to buy sp, create alts in the specific way we need them within a few clicks, this problem will potentially only increase. The imo skyrocketing plex after introduction will also add to this.

I have the feeling that the calls for sp transfers have it´s root in the selfish greed for more, not to be dependend on others, not beeing forced to cooperate with others that can do something oneself doesn´t. And ofcourse ccp happily tries to deliver cause they are also driven by their own greed for more money, ignoring their own facts and statements.

Isn´t it so that players, socialising with others are most likely to stay, while others, playing S.ingle P.layer O.nline are more likely to quit?

Isn´t this furthermore forcing eve to become more the game of alts than it is now?

And if theres a (high) chance that something like this is happening - why is ccp introducing it, although they tell us that the opposite is needed for a healthy game: cooperating players?

EDIT: I think we should ask the question: what level of social interaction ingame brings the most fun with it?

is it at a level where we only trade unneeded assets bewteen each other, kill us, scam us or blob- / metagame
or
a level where it´s necessary to work for a good amount of time together gathering ressources, hauling, or else

personally i think it´s the second one, ofcourse the gamemechanics should be crafted carefully and as a player one has to decide what he wants to do. maybe cooperation between pvp and industry would rise if the new ship you like to *pew* could only be achived by an cooperative and active effort of multiple, specialised players over a significant amount of time... and they need protection :D

fun is what´s missing :) players are also greedy. we want everything, now - force us to have fun, New areas in the universe won´t change the outcome of the gamemechanics. the symptoms are only hidden for some time. ^^

You're the one challenging it as "an awesome commodity" because it's so restricted for vets. I'm mentioning that it also has a lot of benefits for rich vets and their alts; but reducing that also devalues the market for potential fresh characters altogether.

So, do you have a further point? The whole of this redesign idea is obviously to increase fresh subs, and it's obviously about SP limiting progression (there's a lot more to this discussion, like science research, motivation, and monetization philosophies). So, how about actually fixing the problem?

Newbies already got a small increase in SP, and that negligible change alone drew out hordes of whiners and entitled players.

Just imagine the tears, if new characters would start at 10M SP.

This can be argued. The way I see it, and how I've argued in my previous posts. The skill queue is a bad mechanic, that promotes the wrong things in EvE.

EvE is about being out in space, actively working together with people towards a common goal. Telling people, that they need to afk train X amount of SP before they can join, is just not a great mechanic. It is also very hard to sell to newer players.

Half the 'vets' in this game are purchased characters. I know. I (and other regulars in the CB) sold the characters to them.

To see them now whining in righteous indignation about purchasing SP in a less convoluted way is priceless.

Mr Epeen

Well, yea. They're afraid to do that, they're afraid to put SP straight up in the NEX store, so they attempt to achieve the same ends, by awkwardly crowbarring it into the economy so they can BS and say "hey, it's still EVE, still the player economy yada yada" (even though this one item follows different rules to every other item in the same economy, but, hey it's still the same guys, we're letting you trade your time (unless you're x years old!) empires are losing their control etc etc)

Although going by how many have lapped it up, I guess, they were right to do so.

You gots a real purdy mouth, boy.

Now for a quick answer to your query.

Under the current proposal:

People making characters to sell won't be buying SP packs. No profit.
Vets won't be buying SP packs. Too expensive.
Mid level players won't be buying SP packs. Pre-made characters from the bazaar are a better deal.
New players may buy some for an initial boost to get into something other than a T1 tackler in a reasonable time.

The sky is not falling. The game is not dying. It's just another thing that will be accepted into the general community as people realize that none of the doom and gloom comes to pass.

Mr Epeen

Just looking at this the worst off will be 30-45mil. At that point you feel like you've been playing forever, yet even a couple of doctrine changes can leave you with only a ceptor to bring to fleets.

Everyone far behind you skips the early grind, everyone far ahead is already in their rounded characters and couldn't care less. If I was at 35mil and this scheme goes on TQ, I'd be seriously pissed.

i think they're currently stuck at the "what the hell do we do about learning implants" part. apparently they make up a large portion of mission runner income.

it has been suggested that perhaps the TSEs become an LP item rather than an AUR item to solve that particular problem.

How many of those purchased vets, have whined in this thread? Or are you suggesting all 50% have?

In fairness to CCP, there have been lots of devblogs about things that never came to pass so I don't believe this is a necessarily done deal.

And i get where y'all are coming from Terminus. But I hope y'all understand where many of us are coming from when we say we don't like the idea. It has nothing to do with killing the game or the sky falling. Like other past ideas (like for instance the "perma death" character idea) this one raises alarm bells for some of us, it feels like a well intentioned but ultimately misguided thing that strikes at the core of the game for no good reason, a fix for something that doesn't need fixing since the Character Bazaar works fine already.

Why not just enhance the character bazaar?