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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Syn'Drakkahr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3601 - 2015-10-19 11:30:50 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:
Dave Stark,

Hyperthetical,

Mark: has been playing EVE for 10 years, he has 200MSP, contributed alot to EVE community, CCP and developed a presence in the EVE universe.

Dave: Has seen an advert, likes the look of EVE, decided to play EVE and realises he's starting way off from the pack. Dave desides f*ck it, I'll purchase 200M SP and gain the significat bonuses that come with it.

EvE is a sandbox, players run the lore of the universe and create history. EvE is unique, EvE has values, standards, it takes time to develop your self and promote yourself in this already small community / universe.

1.) Mark has seen EVE grow, gained a substanial wealth. Taking his past history, contribution, away from him because SP is now Pay 2 Win for Dave.

2.) Dave does not give a sh*t, he can fly his pimped out Vargur after 1 day and does not care about Marks history or the lore of EVE, he just wants to fly and kill.

Yes, Dave could achieve this on the Character Bazaar but he also has to live with the fact that the new character he is purchasing has time value and history. All part of what make EVE the greatest sandbox created.

Making SP so ready available reduces the Values and standards of what makes EVE a sandbox and Pay 2 Win


a value and history nobody gives a **** about, because the character has changed hands.

nobody cares that xxawox420mcblueshooterxx is a known corp theif - because that character is no longer played by a corp thief.

if chribba were to sell his character tomorrow, whatever character he were to use afterwards would still be refered to as "chribba" since we're talking about a PERSON not a character. pretending reputation is tied to the character not the person is laughable.


You are narrow minded, the thread is about mark, not about the sale of an account. Where is marks respect as a older player? The time he has contributed has gone out of the window, thanks to widely available SP to create w/e you want.
Dave Stark
#3602 - 2015-10-19 11:32:34 UTC
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
you wouldn't care whether or not it would be implemented


correct. i have stated this several times.


Righ right, so you don't care. Then why are you sperging in this thread, F5ing it like you have Tourette's?


also said that before, but for your benefit since you seem to be unable to read; cos i wanted to see what all the negativity was about since it only seems to exist here in eve-o.

y'all seem very upset CCP are trying to make things we already have less hassle. usually when they do this we applaud and cheer but apparently this time because it's rise/terminus/whatever team they're on rather than karkur/punkturis/whatever teams they're on you're all throwing your rattle out of the pram.


Yea, we all believe you. Please say that out loud. Then realize how it smells on bs after having you 3+ days here, posting like mad without much contribution. Out of simple curiosity (as you just wanted to see what`s all the fuss) you are wasting hours and hours of your time, yea right :D Well you have seen whats the fuss about, why are you still trolling? :D

You are caring a lot and you are pushing a lot in support of this.

Why? I do not know since you did not come up with real arguments to back it up.


wasting my time, i'm getting paid. it's a workday here in iceland. i'm not trolling - you keep asking me the same dumb questions over and over, it's rude not to answer some one when they ask you something.

not actively saying it's crap doesn't mean i'm supporting it. i honestly couldn't care less if it's added or not.
apparently nobody has put forward a real argument depending on who you ask - not that we need an argument. we already have this idea anyway that's why i'm so indifferent to it. even if you "win" the thing you so vehemently abhor will exist.
Dave Stark
#3603 - 2015-10-19 11:33:56 UTC
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:
Dave Stark,

Hyperthetical,

Mark: has been playing EVE for 10 years, he has 200MSP, contributed alot to EVE community, CCP and developed a presence in the EVE universe.

Dave: Has seen an advert, likes the look of EVE, decided to play EVE and realises he's starting way off from the pack. Dave desides f*ck it, I'll purchase 200M SP and gain the significat bonuses that come with it.

EvE is a sandbox, players run the lore of the universe and create history. EvE is unique, EvE has values, standards, it takes time to develop your self and promote yourself in this already small community / universe.

1.) Mark has seen EVE grow, gained a substanial wealth. Taking his past history, contribution, away from him because SP is now Pay 2 Win for Dave.

2.) Dave does not give a sh*t, he can fly his pimped out Vargur after 1 day and does not care about Marks history or the lore of EVE, he just wants to fly and kill.

Yes, Dave could achieve this on the Character Bazaar but he also has to live with the fact that the new character he is purchasing has time value and history. All part of what make EVE the greatest sandbox created.

Making SP so ready available reduces the Values and standards of what makes EVE a sandbox and Pay 2 Win


a value and history nobody gives a **** about, because the character has changed hands.

nobody cares that xxawox420mcblueshooterxx is a known corp theif - because that character is no longer played by a corp thief.

if chribba were to sell his character tomorrow, whatever character he were to use afterwards would still be refered to as "chribba" since we're talking about a PERSON not a character. pretending reputation is tied to the character not the person is laughable.


You are narrow minded, the thread is about mark, not about the sale of an account. Where is marks respect as a older player? The time he has contributed has gone out of the window, thanks to widely available SP to create w/e you want.


no, it hasn't. if chribba were to sell his account tomorrow would we all forget all the stuff he has done? clearly we wouldn't.

if we were to all get 200m sp tomorrow, would we all forget about the stuff he as done? clearly we wouldn't.

if you do interesting **** - people will remember it. it has absolutely nothing to do with your sp number.
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#3604 - 2015-10-19 11:34:49 UTC
Even Tippia tried and could not stop him. (but made him look like a fool though)
General Lootit
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3605 - 2015-10-19 11:37:20 UTC  |  Edited by: General Lootit
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

This devalues SP and Time, therefore devalues the vet's and players that have supported the game since day 1. It goes against most values and standards of the player base.

It can't devalues something that not for sale.
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

But effectively, you are just purchasing the SP and not time.

To create SP somebody need to wait training time and then sell it.
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

At this current stage, the update means people will simply set up SP character farms and sell the SP on the market for gains.

Firstly you need purche for PLEX and extractors to be able to farm SP.

Main source of concerns and side effects

Typical loyal customer with eleventy accounts
Syn'Drakkahr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3606 - 2015-10-19 11:39:41 UTC
Quote:
no, it hasn't. if chribba were to sell his account tomorrow would we all forget all the stuff he has done? clearly we wouldn't.

if we were to all get 200m sp tomorrow, would we all forget about the stuff he as done? clearly we wouldn't.

if you do interesting **** - people will remember it. it has absolutely nothing to do with your sp number.


If we all got 200M SP there would be nothing UNIQUE about EVE and eventually the majority of players would have MAXED skills. Yes EVENTUALLY the players that stick to eve would get maxed skilled. But it takes TIME, you should not be able to buy TIME at such a ready available option.

Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#3607 - 2015-10-19 11:40:32 UTC
Moac Tor wrote:
Even Tippia tried and could not stop him. (but made him look like a fool though)


It doesn't take Tippia to make him look like a fool and a shill, he's perfectly capable of doing that himself. It's just very entertaining to see him try so hard to avoid answering actual questions while at the same time "not understanding" the problem. The more he posts the more hilarious it is and the harder he tries the more people realise that he is in fact a shill. He'd probably do better if he'd go quiet for a bit and start posting on another char using a slightly different angle.

This way is more fun though.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3608 - 2015-10-19 11:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Levi Belvar
Levi Belvar wrote:
Quote:
the advantage of not having your character arbitrarily deleted by CCP in order to create a skillpoint pool for people.you're saying that paying should give you the advantage of not being deleted by CCP. i thought you were firmly against paying for an advantage?


There is no advantage to anyone, there is nothing arbitrary in its selection. You have not played for 12 months, get sent an email to either activate or lose. There is no personal gain it it. It is nothing personal to anyone, its just freeing up resources to be recycled and taking some load of the client base to be used for new players.

what is wrong with it is what im saying, you have no vested interest in anything remotely connected with the values of the game. Your interest is personal gain. My way the new players benefit as much as CCP


Seeing as you never got round to replying to the above another thing strikes me as strange now, why you look at a bazaar toon as just a skillpoint sack but you take great offence at recycling old with a minimum unsubbed period of 12 months frozen toons.

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#3609 - 2015-10-19 11:44:10 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Moac Tor wrote:
Even Tippia tried and could not stop him. (but made him look like a fool though)


It doesn't take Tippia to make him look like a fool and a shill, he's perfectly capable of doing that himself. It's just very entertaining to see him try so hard to avoid answering actual questions while at the same time "not understanding" the problem. The more he posts the more hilarious it is and the harder he tries the more people realise that he is in fact a shill. He'd probably do better if he'd go quiet for a bit and start posting on another char using a slightly different angle.

This way is more fun though.

True. What I am saying though is if Tippia couldn't shut him up then no one can. So basically just ignore him, or use it for entertainment if you wish.
Syn'Drakkahr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3610 - 2015-10-19 11:53:58 UTC
General Lootit wrote:
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

This devalues SP and Time, therefore devalues the vet's and players that have supported the game since day 1. It goes against most values and standards of the player base.

It can't devalues something that not for sale.
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

But effectively, you are just purchasing the SP and not time.

To create SP somebody need to wait training time and then sell it.
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:

At this current stage, the update means people will simply set up SP character farms and sell the SP on the market for gains.

Firstly you need purche for PLEX and extractors to be able to farm SP.


Quotes:

1.) You devalue the time players have spent in EVE online by making TIME & SP so ready available.

2.) Enough farms & SP sales will make everyone hit MAX skills in a SHORT amount of TIME! = No one is UNIQUE!

3.) WELL DONE!
Dave Stark
#3611 - 2015-10-19 11:54:22 UTC
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.
Dave Stark
#3612 - 2015-10-19 11:55:18 UTC
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:
Quote:
no, it hasn't. if chribba were to sell his account tomorrow would we all forget all the stuff he has done? clearly we wouldn't.

if we were to all get 200m sp tomorrow, would we all forget about the stuff he as done? clearly we wouldn't.

if you do interesting **** - people will remember it. it has absolutely nothing to do with your sp number.


If we all got 200M SP there would be nothing UNIQUE about EVE and eventually the majority of players would have MAXED skills. Yes EVENTUALLY the players that stick to eve would get maxed skilled. But it takes TIME, you should not be able to buy TIME at such a ready available option.



and it will still take time in the new system. sp isn't coming out of thin air.
darkchild's corpse
Rens Nursing Home
#3613 - 2015-10-19 11:55:34 UTC
i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D

Kinda suits the SP trading discussion (lyrics in description)
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#3614 - 2015-10-19 11:55:41 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!
Dave Stark
#3615 - 2015-10-19 11:57:13 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!


adequately proving my point.
Jared Khanar
#3616 - 2015-10-19 11:57:39 UTC
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!


dont feed the trolls :D

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trading spacepixels
Syn'Drakkahr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3617 - 2015-10-19 11:59:18 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Syn'Drakkahr wrote:
Quote:
no, it hasn't. if chribba were to sell his account tomorrow would we all forget all the stuff he has done? clearly we wouldn't.

if we were to all get 200m sp tomorrow, would we all forget about the stuff he as done? clearly we wouldn't.

if you do interesting **** - people will remember it. it has absolutely nothing to do with your sp number.


If we all got 200M SP there would be nothing UNIQUE about EVE and eventually the majority of players would have MAXED skills. Yes EVENTUALLY the players that stick to eve would get maxed skilled. But it takes TIME, you should not be able to buy TIME at such a ready available option.



and it will still take time in the new system. sp isn't coming out of thin air.


Think about it, all those in-active accounts. Plenty of SP. Enough to cover ALOT of active accounts.

Do you even play EVE? Why are you even here? is their no passion? Eve is UNIQUE! lets keep it that way.

Here is my prediction: Skill extraction goes live> People buy SP> Max skills x 500-1000 accounts> Won EVE. Bored, move on.
Rinse + repeat
Don ZOLA
Omniscient Order
#3618 - 2015-10-19 11:59:47 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Don ZOLA wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


correct. i have stated this several times.


Righ right, so you don't care. Then why are you sperging in this thread, F5ing it like you have Tourette's?


also said that before, but for your benefit since you seem to be unable to read; cos i wanted to see what all the negativity was about since it only seems to exist here in eve-o.

y'all seem very upset CCP are trying to make things we already have less hassle. usually when they do this we applaud and cheer but apparently this time because it's rise/terminus/whatever team they're on rather than karkur/punkturis/whatever teams they're on you're all throwing your rattle out of the pram.


Yea, we all believe you. Please say that out loud. Then realize how it smells on bs after having you 3+ days here, posting like mad without much contribution. Out of simple curiosity (as you just wanted to see what`s all the fuss) you are wasting hours and hours of your time, yea right :D Well you have seen whats the fuss about, why are you still trolling? :D

You are caring a lot and you are pushing a lot in support of this.

Why? I do not know since you did not come up with real arguments to back it up.


wasting my time, i'm getting paid. it's a workday here in iceland. i'm not trolling - you keep asking me the same dumb questions over and over, it's rude not to answer some one when they ask you something.

not actively saying it's crap doesn't mean i'm supporting it. i honestly couldn't care less if it's added or not.
apparently nobody has put forward a real argument depending on who you ask - not that we need an argument. we already have this idea anyway that's why i'm so indifferent to it. even if you "win" the thing you so vehemently abhor will exist.


Sorry to hear that your work is so dull.

If the questions asked were dumb, you could counter them quite easily. Which you did not. Instead of that you take things out of context, twist them out, answer on questions with questions, manipulate, spin etc etc. That is actually rude, but if you cared about that you would not be trolling :)

You will just call any argument non valid and that is your "win". Well guess what, most of the people here already figured out your trolling.

Not actively saying its crap does mean you are supporting it. Well guess what, you are not actively saying its crap, you are hiper actively doing it ^^.

As mentioned again, you are pushing TOO HARD for someone not caring. Hundreds of posts, time, trolls, that all is effort, no matter how lousy it is. SO you are putting a lot of effort in this. Cui bono? Since you did not provide any arguments how it really certainly benefits without side effects for the game itself, it has to be personal interest.

Maybe in your world thousand times repeated lie becomes truth. Not in mine though, you can keep trying.

There are 2 rules in a successful life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know
Tiberius Heth
Doomheim
#3619 - 2015-10-19 11:59:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiberius Heth
Dave Stark wrote:
Tiberius Heth wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
so, since you're all slinging them ol' personal attacks you've actually ran out of legitimate points.


WHAT? WE CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER HOW MUCH OF A SHILL YOU ARE!


adequately proving my point.


Feel free to explain to us what the point is of all your posting in this thread, from your personal pov.
Rawthorm
The Establishment
#3620 - 2015-10-19 12:00:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rawthorm
darkchild's corpse wrote:
i wonder how much "don't implement this" feedback is needed to make ccp stop thinking about implementing it.
maybe someone should pay a few hundret ppl to give negative feedback in here :D


I'd guess a few thousand given that people only tend to be vocal when they hate something, not when they like something or don't care either way P For every one person in this thread claiming that this feature will be the end of EvE there is quite likely a few people quietly sitting back happy it's going to happen, and a few hundred who don't care enough either way to post about it.

Maybe for controversial features CCP should have an enforced vote happen for each account at next login. For once we'd actually have a reasonable overview of opinion that includes the silent majority.