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Dev Blog: Exploring The Character Bazaar & Skill Trading

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Dave Stark
#3121 - 2015-10-18 14:19:10 UTC
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
You are doing neither yourself, nor the argument you stand for any kind of favour with these rhetorical antics. It is very clear, that you gave an assessment just before, no definition. It is subjective and irrelevant in this context. Anyone can read it a few posts up.


so you're not going to answer the question i asked, even after i was asked to ask it?

honestly - if you're not going to answer the question then it shouldn't have been asked for.
Jared Khanar
#3122 - 2015-10-18 14:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jared Khanar
Dave Stark wrote:
Jared Khanar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


i just did.


you are comparing apples with cars telling people they are the same - happy driving in your apple btw


uh, i haven't mentioned apples or cars.



Well it was a pleasure to talk with you, my good troll - best wishes for you on your future way in eve. Sadly i have to stop reading your posts and responding to them now as i realise this is only resulting in a waste of time. Sadly i feel like you are going to push this further so a few pages ahead all these people reading in here and thinking about this must use their own brains to notice the illogical flaws and arguments :) but i have faith in them

o/



hmmm pizza :D

Economic Services

trading spacepixels
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3123 - 2015-10-18 14:20:22 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Full on dodged, this makes me think that certain things are waiting to be answered by someone other than you ....... your points are pretty mute now.



fully dodged? not even remotely. it has been answered that many times it's not even funny.

that's why this thread is as long as it is, because the same questions have to be answered over and over because of people like you who require 30 replies to understand basic points that aren't even related to the topic.


well why did you reply to the message i wrote and you replied about training a skill i was like WTF is that an answer too ???


If we strip away anything virtual from the game we have two constants in play, Time and Money

A legacy character is a snapshot in time, whether 12 years ago or 6 months ago even when unsubbed its frozen in time but in no way can it be manipulated. You can add time to it but it can never be reversed. There is no deconstruction of its timeline, It is a part of the ever evolving universe of eve from a conceptual point of origin.

Now comes a fresh approach, you now want to be able to reverse engineer the timeline. You now want to be able to create elite characters from fragments of time. The convergeance of multiple time streams to manipulate this creation at speed.

The legacy approach has a one off monetary payement, the Hybrid need feeding to progress its ever increasing need for time.


we've been through this. when a character trains a skill doesn't affect anything.


How are they the same ???

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave Stark
#3124 - 2015-10-18 14:22:11 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:


How are they the same ???


a character with mining V gets a 25% bonus to mining yield.

he doesn't magically get 30% if he trained it 4 years ago. he gets 25% too. that's how it's the same.

skills don't magically have different bonuses because they were trained at different points in time.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#3125 - 2015-10-18 14:23:24 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


i just did.

Portmanteau wrote:
If it's there's literally zero difference between the character bazaar and skill packets then one has to ask why are CCP wasting all this effort in changing it ?


this question has been answered so many times it's getting tragic now. the answer is even in the devblog.

go and read it.


Cobblers, you are being incredibly obtuse here, the answer is indeed in the devblog and Rise goes to great lengths explaining the "improvements" that will be made on the character bazaar model.... those are the differences, you are just flailing about now trying to deny the obvious differences that everyone (including the developers) have spelled out.

Maybe you need a break, you've been at this thread for quite a while now.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#3126 - 2015-10-18 14:25:21 UTC
Dave please explain to me how I can buy SPs off the character Bazaar and inject them into this character.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3127 - 2015-10-18 14:26:02 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


i just did.

Portmanteau wrote:
If it's there's literally zero difference between the character bazaar and skill packets then one has to ask why are CCP wasting all this effort in changing it ?


this question has been answered so many times it's getting tragic now. the answer is even in the devblog.

go and read it.


Cobblers, you are being incredibly obtuse here, the answer is indeed in the devblog and Rise goes to great lengths explaining the "improvements" that will be made on the character bazaar model.... those are the differences, you are just flailing about now trying to deny the obvious differences that everyone (including the developers) have spelled out.

Maybe you need a break, you've been at this thread for quite a while now.



Its hilarious how hes flapping about skills now lol

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Dave Stark
#3128 - 2015-10-18 14:26:30 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


i just did.

Portmanteau wrote:
If it's there's literally zero difference between the character bazaar and skill packets then one has to ask why are CCP wasting all this effort in changing it ?


this question has been answered so many times it's getting tragic now. the answer is even in the devblog.

go and read it.


Cobblers, you are being incredibly obtuse here, the answer is indeed in the devblog and Rise goes to great lengths explaining the "improvements" that will be made on the character bazaar model.... those are the differences, you are just flailing about now trying to deny the obvious differences that everyone (including the developers) have spelled out.

Maybe you need a break, you've been at this thread for quite a while now.


how am i being obtuse? you asked why they're doing it, we have gone through it many times, and each time has involved quoting the devblog since that's where the answer is.
Dave Stark
#3129 - 2015-10-18 14:28:19 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Its hilarious how hes flapping about skills now lol


you ask about skills i'm going to talk about skills... how is that not obvious?
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3130 - 2015-10-18 14:28:39 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
You really can't imagine that breaking a hugely desirable commodity such as skillpoints into semi affordable chunks will make them seem like a must have for new guys ?

You know cocaine was never a massive issue in poor neighborhoods until it was re-marketed as cheaper crack rock Lol
Lol

I could be wrong, but what I'm imagening right now is an EVE where buyable SP will actually make people obsess much less over SP...

If you're a smoke addict, you get worried if you don't have a spare pack around the house, even though you probably won't need all those cigarettes before you'll have a chance to buy more.

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!
Dave Stark
#3131 - 2015-10-18 14:29:50 UTC
to be fair, i think this thread is done now. for the last like 150 pages there has been 0 discussion of the devblog as people have had to have basic and irrelevant concepts explaining to them.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#3132 - 2015-10-18 14:30:07 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


i just did.

Portmanteau wrote:
If it's there's literally zero difference between the character bazaar and skill packets then one has to ask why are CCP wasting all this effort in changing it ?


this question has been answered so many times it's getting tragic now. the answer is even in the devblog.

go and read it.


Cobblers, you are being incredibly obtuse here, the answer is indeed in the devblog and Rise goes to great lengths explaining the "improvements" that will be made on the character bazaar model.... those are the differences, you are just flailing about now trying to deny the obvious differences that everyone (including the developers) have spelled out.

Maybe you need a break, you've been at this thread for quite a while now.


how am i being obtuse? you asked why they're doing it, we have gone through it many times, and each time has involved quoting the devblog since that's where the answer is.


Can you sell me 500k sps from Dave Stark for me to inject into Portmanteau please ? Apparently that facility already exists. Thanking you in advance.
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#3133 - 2015-10-18 14:31:01 UTC
Portmanteau wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


i just did.

Portmanteau wrote:
If it's there's literally zero difference between the character bazaar and skill packets then one has to ask why are CCP wasting all this effort in changing it ?


this question has been answered so many times it's getting tragic now. the answer is even in the devblog.

go and read it.


Cobblers, you are being incredibly obtuse here, the answer is indeed in the devblog and Rise goes to great lengths explaining the "improvements" that will be made on the character bazaar model.... those are the differences, you are just flailing about now trying to deny the obvious differences that everyone (including the developers) have spelled out.

Maybe you need a break, you've been at this thread for quite a while now.


Not only a break, he needs to stop posting, entirely!
Dave Stark
#3134 - 2015-10-18 14:31:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Portmanteau wrote:
[Can you sell me 500k sps from Dave Stark for me to inject into Portmanteau please ? Apparently that facility already exists. Thanking you in advance.


yes. how much are you willing to pay?

Daniela Doran wrote:
Not only a break, he needs to stop posting, entirely!

indeed, my facts are getting in the way of your fabrications.
Interfly Ghormenheist
The Caravan Track
#3135 - 2015-10-18 14:32:08 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
You are doing neither yourself, nor the argument you stand for any kind of favour with these rhetorical antics. It is very clear, that you gave an assessment just before, no definition. It is subjective and irrelevant in this context. Anyone can read it a few posts up.


so you're not going to answer the question i asked, even after i was asked to ask it?

honestly - if you're not going to answer the question then it shouldn't have been asked for.


Again, you misunderstood.

Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
You are giving an assessment here. What characters you do like, or do not like, is irrelevant for the topic. Same goes for me by the way. It may change over time, just as their SP. Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


It was about the quality of your question, not about me denying it should be answered. If you change the quality, it would move the discussion forward. It should definitely be answered then. I do give you that.

By the way, do you know the joke about the guy listening to the message about a wrong-way driver on the radio traffic service? He responded by “What do you mean, one of them? There are hundreds!” Pirate

Seems to me you are getting quite a few messages about reading posts and quoting properly.

Last time that “greed was good”, the information was leaked. In 2015 it was posted.
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#3136 - 2015-10-18 14:33:05 UTC
Gully Alex Foyle wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
You really can't imagine that breaking a hugely desirable commodity such as skillpoints into semi affordable chunks will make them seem like a must have for new guys ?

You know cocaine was never a massive issue in poor neighborhoods until it was re-marketed as cheaper crack rock Lol
Lol

I could be wrong, but what I'm imagening right now is an EVE where buyable SP will actually make people obsess much less over SP...

If you're a smoke addict, you get worried if you don't have a spare pack around the house, even though you probably won't need all those cigarettes before you'll have a chance to buy more.

Oddly enough I think both POVs will occur. I agree that SPs as a commodity will seems less important to some, to me in fact. But also more SPs within easier reach of newer guys will have the opposite effect, like dangling a pipe in front of a crack ho.
Dave Stark
#3137 - 2015-10-18 14:33:22 UTC
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
You are doing neither yourself, nor the argument you stand for any kind of favour with these rhetorical antics. It is very clear, that you gave an assessment just before, no definition. It is subjective and irrelevant in this context. Anyone can read it a few posts up.


so you're not going to answer the question i asked, even after i was asked to ask it?

honestly - if you're not going to answer the question then it shouldn't have been asked for.


Again, you misunderstood.

Interfly Ghormenheist wrote:
You are giving an assessment here. What characters you do like, or do not like, is irrelevant for the topic. Same goes for me by the way. It may change over time, just as their SP. Maybe you could define and describe the actual system you are referring to?


It was about the quality of your question, not about me denying it should be answered. If you change the quality, it would move the discussion forward. It should definitely be answered then. I do give you that.

By the way, do you know the joke about the guy listening to the message about a wrong-way driver on the radio traffic service? He responded by “What do you mean, one of them? There are hundreds!” Pirate

Seems to me you are getting quite a few messages about reading posts and quoting properly.



i don't need to change the quality. i described how a process worked and asked you to tell me which process i was talking about. if you don't know which one i'm talking about that's fine.
Levi Belvar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3138 - 2015-10-18 14:34:20 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Its hilarious how hes flapping about skills now lol


you ask about skills i'm going to talk about skills... how is that not obvious?


Not skills mate, you saying that a bazaar toon is the same as a TSP one and theyre not and you just dont see or want to admit theyre different after the 150 page fluff up

“Stupidity and wisdom meet in the same centre of sentiment and resolution, in the suffering of human accidents.”
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#3139 - 2015-10-18 14:34:59 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Portmanteau wrote:
[Can you sell me 500k sps from Dave Stark for me to inject into Portmanteau please ? Apparently that facility already exists. Thanking you in advance.


yes. how much are you willing to pay?



I think I'm done here. Roll
Dave Stark
#3140 - 2015-10-18 14:35:07 UTC
Levi Belvar wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Levi Belvar wrote:
Its hilarious how hes flapping about skills now lol


you ask about skills i'm going to talk about skills... how is that not obvious?


Not skills mate, you saying that a bazaar toon is the same as a TSP one and theyre not and you just dont see or want to admit theyre different after the 150 page fluff up


considering you can create a TSP one however you want, it can very much be the same as a bazaar toon if you want it to.