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We're not talking absolutes here.

Yes, you can get the SP you want now by buying it. So it should be a lot EASIER because it's already currently possible?

Scamming is possible, and it's possible to avoid a bad rap, so let's make it EASIER to avoid one!

There are barriers to entry on what you're saying, we're only after solving a personal problem, tweaking our char a little avoiding wasted SP on our own char or obsolete SP or SP that no longer makes sense for its progression, you're campaigning for changing the whole paradigm for how SP is perceived and used, because Eve is already cheap. So let's make it CHEAPER!

If only we had an Eve Easy button with a credit card slot in it that spammed the message YOU WIN for each transaction.

The devblog created kind of a huge shitstorm in the first hour or so, and I only saw two CSM's who were capable of expressing their opinion without hopping into the cesspool and slinging ****: Sort and Gorski. So mad props to those two.
The big drawbacks that I've seen are

• People will make SP farming toons
• It'll be harder to evaluate character SP based on age
• Older players will abuse this to gain an insurmountable advantage

And probably some others.

For the first bit...yea probably. But guess what? People currently make specialized characters to sell on the Bazaar. This doesn't cheapen any part of the game.

Assessing character skill based on age will be a bit harder, but if that's a huge issue it's really easy to fix. There is no part of the brain-bag system that prevents adding a skillpoint tab to show info. I don't think it's a problem but v0v if it is, easy fix irrelevant to the mechanic.

The third part is what gets me mega confused. Why would I spend billions of isk to get like 1mil unallocated SP? I have a hard enough time trying to choose what to train as is. The main argument I see is "because they can". Which a) I'm not sure how that's a real argument and b) wutface. Yea I could buy tons of **** and destroy it for no reason. In Eve, people aren't dumb. Players tend to spend their time doing things that'll help them.

Newer players, especially those that catch the Eve bug early, will benefit from this. I started a new character last year or so and wanted to see what it was like. In the first 3 weeks I had a lot of fun, I flew a frigate, I PvP'd, I did missions. It was a blast. I was playing like 3 hours a night 4 times a week and made a fair amount of ISK from looting and salvaging. I had like, 3 bil by the end of 3 weeks. Then I hit this wall. Can't really try something new, can't fly T2 for a month, can't move up to cruisers that effectively, I had so much to catch up on in terms of support skills that I couldn't even consider moving up to a new class. And then I just stopped playing.

Luckily I had a main to fall back on, but imagine if I was just John Q Pubbie. Three billion isn't enough to buy a new character on the forums. What if I could leverage my activity in the game (isk) to get 4 million SP and start moving on.
There is of course this notion that misery loves company; when I started playing Eve I had to just train and not do anything for a few months - so everyone else should too! Right? I'd much rather see those people who are really into the game keep playing so that I can see them in space and interact with them. Getting people sucked into Eve for a few years instead of a few months? That's maximizing the misery right there.

SKINS seems like monetization (one that the players have been begging for), but this doesn't. Maybe it's because I feel like the base mechanic has existed forever. If these brain bags were coming out of the ether instead of other pilots' heads, then I'd be screaming "cash grab".

When a new idea comes out there are two things to talk about: the core principles of the idea, and the specific mechanics around that core. Personally I think the core idea is sound, though I am the first to admit that there should be some tweaks. In classic /r/Eve fashion the only data I have is rhetorical evidence based on when I played the game ten years ago, but damn if I don't feel entitled to have that listened to.

So if we as a community can agree that the core principles are OK, regardless the presentation of the idea, then we can talk about the guts that make it work.

Because buy one character from bazaar is much cheaper (in ISK) than trans skill into another, this change does not make it cheaper or easier for scammer at all. Buying character is still the only reasonable choice for them.

I hope it will stay that way, but the point from Mr. Stark was you can just ask for the perfect char possibly in the future for folks where isk and cash isnt an issue.

The purported focus of this game is hard decisions and dealing with the consequences. It's neither good nor bad just game breaking. Not breaking like the game won't work but breaking from one of the core concepts that the game has been based around.

In order to get your so called "free PLEX" somone must first put 30 days on the account either with another PLEX or real life money. So your "free PLEX" isn't really free. Also when they added the new higher starting skill points they also got rid of the extreemely fast training for new players. So I think that it winds up being a bit of a wash.

My only problem with that is that they insulate new players a bit from their own ignorance which I think is a shame. This game used to be all about learning from your mistakes.

And in no way can you 100% repurpose your char in a day and sell it on the character bazaar.

GOD NO!!!

What the **** is this? EA?
But you know what? You will be doing it anyways regardless of players outcry in this thread, you as well could have saved you the time posting this thread.

Stark wrote:

"if you haven't arbitrarily waited a few months for sp to accumulate, you have no business being able to fly a carrier"

are you aware how dumb that is? you shouldn't be flying a ship because you didn't wait an arbitrary amount of time?


Is that any less dumb then a day 1 old char trying to pilot a Raven?

I think the time element of SP is actually a good thing in general. Yes the bazaar circumvents that, but again i'm not a huge fan of that anyway or the Plex for isk thing. Of course actually really earning it... showing that you understand it to obtain it would be more optimal but isn't this better than buying the skill outright without having to invest the time? (via whatever method) I don't have to like all elements of the game currently to disagree with a change in the game mechanics do I?