Crime & Punishment

Eve is supposed to have much more depth than developers dictating where they think I should PVP. If I wanted a PVP game where all the rules are black and white and it was 100% consensual, then I would be playing League of Legends.

The opposite of what? Hyperdunking? So more and bigger fleets ganking, which means more people involved (or just more Siegfried Cohenberg alts?)? That's "good", I guess. I find it funny that people, CFC and CODE in particular, complain about the removal of hyperdunking, while insisting on and proclaiming that people should socialize and play together to achieve things -- things that hyperdunking, which can be done by 1 player (with several characters) alone. Just heed your own principles and codex, instead of just imposing its rule on other people, and you'll notice absolutely no difference for the ganking business once Hyperdunking is gone. But, as always, the hypocrisy is strong in CFCODE.

The subscription argument is particularly hilarious in this regard as no hyperdunking means necessity for more characters to get a proper gank fleet going, which necessitates more subs. Gankers never fail to amaze me.

Hahaha good one.

Dont try schooling me on what Eve is about. I know.

It's literally impossible to get this popup without having JUST engaged in non-consensual conflict.

Just think of it as a pat on the back from CCP

This is not true at all. I was testing hyper dunking things on SISI and was shooting at an alt to test it. So yes I gave consent for me to shoot at myself.

... Also you can acquire a criminal timer by doing more than just shooting at another player. Knowledge is power.

Because high sec really needs more nerfs. :(

Just because CCP acknowledges that a tactic isn't an exploit of a given set of rules doesn't mean that they like the tactic. It just means that they are trying to have a fair understanding of what the rules mean at the moment.

I thought this would happen eventually. I always thought the statement on hyper dunking carried an undertone of distaste.

There have been examples of this before. I can't really think of one off the top of my head, but there have been situations where x was whined about endlessly, x was confirmed to not be an exploit several times, and then x was suddenly removed from the game by technical fiat.

Here you go:

Hobo-bubbling
skynet
entosis ceptors
garage door cynos
titan bowling (both types)
e-warp bumping to catch supers on login.
AoE DDs
Deep safes
Blap titans
The nano age

Coming soon: OGB


And there are doubtless countless more.

I always expected that they would nerf this one. Frankly I'm surprised it took this long.

Still, though, it's a shame. Assuming of course that this will actually be rolled out on TQ. It seems like increasingly CCP has this view that goes like, "you can be the villain provided that you do so within this narrow set of conditions that allow for targets to easily opt out and which do not include creative uses of game mechanics". It's a poor attitude to have in a game where pretty much the entire narrative is driven by player generated content. Tactics like hyperdunking are really useful for players to inject content into dry areas on a small, personal scale and as such they are essential to the health of the game.

I'm not too worried though. Every time they change the rules it doesn't take long for some of the more creative types among us to discover the next thing.

I'm curious, have you ever hyperdunked? I see a lot of people saying it's easy, and they are right... When the pilot logs off. I wonder if you could keep a triple inertial stabbed freighter bumped while dpsing and pulling. I'm not saying it's incredibly hard, but I don't think most people are capable of multitasking in this way while trying to fend off white knights.

It's disheartening for me to read this mainly because I think hisec content creators are some of the most creative and knowledgable of in-game mechanics. Sure most are probably bads but is camping gates or baiting in FW plexes really that hard either? Please if it's not hisec, tell me where I can find elite pvp.

I also think it's a tad silly to say that we are killing the game. CCP does a good enough job of that on ther own. EVE is a unique game where villainy is supposed to be a thing, where in most other games you'd be banned for stealing some linen cloth. Everyone knows this (or should) and it always leaves me in awe when someone complains that an internet bad guy did (insert bad guy activity here) to them. We've been beating this dead horse, and all that's left is decaying flesh and bone.